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requires an immense deal of indoctrination, be it religious or secularly ideological. Of course, I presuppose that the indoctrinated

Hleonard- why do you use that

indoctrinated

word so much- does it give to you a sense of more learned man? does it give more meaning to your thought? are we supposed to be scared of the word, as if that would give our thoughts sort of classification? what in the world is it?

Hleonard,

Thank you for your interesting (yet diminishing) post. You made several good points.

Linda.

Linda, suppose that the posts was so indoctrinated, that they indoctrinated my response with indoctrinated ideologically -- secular or otherwise doctrines, that now I feel like a doctor of doctrines for poor Isaac.

Hleonard

Why have you edited your posts down to nothing but numbers...it's a little irritating to those of of us who are reading the thread for the first time.

It's also uncivil to those who have taken the interest and time to respond to you.


YdF

In your countdown, hleonard, you've managed to obliterate a poem that I enjoyed. Remember that something's being controversial is not necessarily 'bad' [per my own, "Wordsmith" advice , shall I say "is not necessarily a negation"].

I'm new. Can someone tell me what this is all about?

Hi Hal,

Welcome to the forum. In answer to your question: it's a long story. I'm trying to put the pieces together myself. Perhaps you'll have more luck than I.

Linda.

Dear hal and everyone,

I am terribly sorry, not to mention embarrassed, with regard to what happened to my entire post history. Unfortunately, I had mentioned my password to my (now ex) girlfriend who decided to take revenge on our recent break-up. I apologize for any irritation this might have caused. I have a new password now, so this shouldn't happen again.

Geesh hleonard, tough break. JUst goes to show I geuess that you can'f tell what's one people's minds. I hope you continue to write. It may even help (if you are experiencing bad break-uop).

THanks LInda for the welcoming me with so nicely!

Well, thank you, hal. I hope you enjoy your time with us here. I think you'll fit right in.

Linda.

Hi hleonard ~

No problem to repost your poem, right? [We can at least help out Hal here ~ and Welcome, Hal .]

~ Lizzy

Dear hleonard! Really, good heavens, why would your ex delete nice poem about Isaac? I would not say, that I enjoyed the poem as a poetry, but was stimulating to think about Abraham and Isaac and Jacob etc. Perhaps, with a bit too much sentiment or "feeling" for my taste, but I am no judge of poetry at all. Perhaps, I did not quite enjoy the hidden idea, that the child has been raped by "father" whom the child trusted. Perhaps I did not like very much the idea, that the "father"raped the child, because he was a priest. I would object to that idea, because he was a predator, pedophile, who happened to be a priest. However, on this forum happened to be so many good experts on poetry-you can trust them-give that Isaac poem back, please.

yeah.... i find that numerology is pretty biblical.

Teratogen- don't you have anything new? You had some poems I really enjoyed reading, printed them out, anything in works? Why don't you write something about Isaac or, perhaps- Jacob?

Hleonard,

That your ex-girlfriend would delete this poem is almost unpardonable.
Good poems should never be as ephemeral as most relationships.
"Hell hath no fury like..." -- Live and learn. At least you can bring it
back here.