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Dearest Liz,

as the ones with most creedence [at this point] are Rebecca ...

I could easily envision her at his bedside.

Well...that's quite a bit different from your original scenario.

My prayer is for peacefully, awake, and in his chosen woman's arms, with Adam, Lorca, Esther, and other valued family and friends nearby.

You've shifted RD from the embrace of Leonard's arms to a secondary "nearby" position with the rest of the other valued on-lookers.

No fair...your fantasies are too fluid...for maximum enjoyment pick one and stick with it!


YDF

At his bedside does not preclude in his arms. I believe there to be great tenderness that remains between them. Contrary to your beliefs, YDF, there does not need to be a sexual element in everything.

My Piscean nature dictates fluidity.

Please Lizzy, (for the love of LC)...STOP...you're transferring like mad.


YDF

Ah, so a Young Dr. Freud who doesn't subscribe to Old Dr. Freud's theories.....interesting. And the marital breakup, which you ascribe, would be based on.....what? I've never known tenderness between friends to result in such.

Well, obviously times are a-changind and YdF has evolved from OdF.

I must say that this thread has become very funny indeed.

LIZZY,

I believe there to be great tenderness that remains between them.

Whoa! That is so "psychic" of you, Madame Lizzy. You can decipher the emotional "scraps" and "leavings" of two people you've never met.... from thousands of miles away. I'm impressed.

However,

And the marital breakup, which you ascribe, would be based on.....what? I've never known tenderness between friends to result in such.

"Tenderness" between friends is the No. #1 cause of infidelity. Much more so than brazen lust. More affairs have been started by crying on a friend's shoulder than cruising the bars. Please, for the sake of happy homes everywhere...do not put RD in LC's arms...even on his deathbed!


YDF

Dear YDF ~

I have to wonder how your notes would hold up under a QA [Quality Assessment] Audit. "I believe" does not equate to "You can" ~ many people believe many things that are simply not true. However, for you to extrapolate from that and put into definitive form that I "can" puts your own credibility in question. I'm going on the basis of interviews Leonard has given, i.e. his own words ~ not my psychic 'hits'.

Yes, you're right that the scenario you describe in the real world with regard to tenderness between friends, and my viewing it in its restricted framing skewed my view of it. You initially related her tender presence as being equivalent to the breakup of her marriage ~ "...this is not the first time you have insisted on busting up RD's marriage and happy home (with two children)."

My comment regarding tenderness between friends should be restricted to the scenario at hand, with which all concerned would be where they are by mutual choice and consent, having nothing to do with me. It's only my wish that Leonard be with his chosen woman [whomever she may be] at such a time. However, I've known many friends who felt affection and tenderness for one another, and were supportive during difficult times, who never regressed into infidelity.

~ Lizzy

Lizzy,

You initially related her tender presence as being equivalent to the breakup of her marriage ~

No, no, no!

Her tender presence is not the "equivalent" to the breakup of her marriage--the break-up of her marriage is the "result" of the tenderness between them.

Here is your chronology:

1. Great Love Affair

2. GLA runs its customary course, because of LC's pathological inability to sustain a committed relationship

3. Residual Tenderness between friends

2. Bust-up of Rd's marriage due to said tenderness

3. RD as Chosen Woman tenderly holds LC in her arms as he naps on his deathbed.

Hope this is helpful to you.


YDF

Well, rearranging reality is helpful to some, for sure ~ your chronos and casenotes still suffer, however. Nice talking with you . How are you doing on this Monday?

Lizzy,

I'm doing fine...but no time for chit-chat...Run over to the LC Poetry and Novels section..."Neurotic Affiliations" thread...

We need your expertise! Hurry!

YDF

~ Yes, well; I printed it out already [glad I did vs. trying to read it online] and 26 full pages [single-spaced it is]. Not a quick read [at least not for this one ]. So, no need for me to rush, anywhere, at the moment .