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Re: Outspoken Day
Posted: Fri Nov 06, 2009 10:04 am
by mat james
well...?
Your "much more" is quite a bit more than my "much more" boss.
And...if you set up a charity via this forum, with the the blessing of Jarkko's mob, for the people, by the people; I'm in.
So I am for option (draft) 1. "The Leonard Cohen Charity"...run by you.
If somebody else runs it, I'm out.
I believe in you, your unique enthusiasm, your naked intent and your energy.
Mat.
Re: Outspoken Day
Posted: Fri Nov 06, 2009 7:17 pm
by Gullivor
Boss,
Maybe you can help me with this. I do not have a problem with the giving and sharing of my possessions or money. What I do have a problem with is the giving of myself to others. I don't like my solitude to be interrupted. To put it coldly... I don't like to be inconvenienced with others.
Thanks Boss!
Re: Outspoken Day
Posted: Sun Nov 08, 2009 6:13 am
by Boss
Why do you think I may be of any help? I am but a speck in the great cosmic dance, but a nuance in this drama we call ‘life’. All I can say is this, Gullivor, if you want help and if you want to be able to give of yourself, ask God. Your recent poem was asking of God; how you waited then in the end you grew. I spent 19 years ‘talking’ to four different specialists – none of them took my love of God very seriously. I talked my guts out with them; about my parents, about siblings, about Jackie. It did ease the pain for a time but they were afraid of God; I’m sure of it. They weren’t ‘bad’ men; in a funny sort of way they were sad men. Sure they had profound intellects, could recall fact, could string together theory. Sure they had studied much. But there was still this ‘hole’ in their being. I stopped seeing my last specialist in March. And, since, I have survived; flourished in fact. I think Christ said we should love our neighbours and we should love God (I am not Christian, I have just learned such things in the Christian culture I find myself immersed in!) He was right. I think appreciating God within your soul – knowing you are part of Him and He is part of you – that leads to an affinity with all men; you just can't find them an inconvenience! And you can be ‘with God’ anywhere. You can find Him in your morning; you can know him at night. Some people find him in a synagogue or church or mosque – but you don’t have to. Again, when I was in Alice Springs, I used to visit an old cemetery. I would sit there in the desert heat at gravesites. Some of these people had been dead 70 years or more. And I would sit, and sit. And I would pray, just talk with God thanking Him for life. That’s it Gullivor, one has to be in tune with the numinous for it is then one can ‘see’ Him in everything. And it is free. And it is available to all. I think if psychoanalysis had a more spiritual dimension it would be an excellent aid in self-discovery and human well-being. Find someone, a counsellor or the like, but make sure they have a penchant for spiritual matters – make sure they love God. Talk, become friends. It may be easier to start with one person and then gradually you will open up to all, to life. Gullivor, don’t feel ashamed of any of this; even Leonard has a mentor, Roshi. I wish you well.
I have considered the forum charity idea at length and while I appreciate what Violet and Mat wrote I don’t feel I could tackle such a challenge right now. I’ve put it on a back burner - who knows what will transpire in the Future?
We need some Beatles
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-O7PnvVgQvA
That's better,
Boss
Re: Outspoken Day
Posted: Tue Nov 10, 2009 11:13 am
by Gullivor
Boss,
Thank you for taking the time.
I agree about "specialists" being uneasy about the "God" thing. I mean how can you be a specialist and have a deep insite into God. Reminds me of that saying "the inmates are running the asylum"!
I do have mentors but even they are not immune to going through tough times. If they were immune they would be specialists and I would be in serious trouble spiritually and financially broke!
I think God and life unfolds as we attempt to go though the journey. I mean if we knew EVERYTHING now we would have NOTHING to look forward too!
Thank You again Boss
Re: Outspoken Day
Posted: Tue Nov 10, 2009 6:00 pm
by Cate
I have considered the forum charity idea at length and while I appreciate what Violet and Mat wrote I don’t feel I could tackle such a challenge right now. I’ve put it on a back burner - who knows what will transpire in the Future?
Hey Adam, well a forum charity sounds like a lot to take on but if in the future there is a specific issue or need relevant to something you are passionate about I hope you know you can count on some support here, even if it's just a couple of bucks or a letter.
Here's a song by a Somali-Canadian guy who had what most people here would consider a rough start. I was listening to him on the radio yesterday and though of you.
K'naan - Wavin' Flag - Fifa has actually chosen a slightly different version of this song for the 2010 world cup.
Re: Outspoken Day
Posted: Wed Nov 11, 2009 8:54 am
by Boss
Cate, when I get older, I will be stronger… what a thing to affirm. I loved K’naan. We have Somalis in Australia, too. I used to mow the lawns of one such family many years ago. They were a warm family, polite too. I really appreciate the link. I might even see if I can find his album somewhere. Somalia hey, what a bloody nightmare…Source Watch states: “Somalia has no proven oil reserves, and only 200 billion cubic feet of proven natural gas reserves. Somalia currently has no hydrocarbon production…” Could this be the reason the West doesn’t give a shit about the lawlessness that poor, wretched country deals with every day? The widowhood of every single government, indeed. All of them: money grabbing, weak, opportunistic bastards.
I’m gonna’ take a break from the boards for a while. I got this milestone coming up on the 20th. And I think I’ve said enough lately – there’s just getting less and less to say. I’ll leave you with a guy covering the Dylan track,
If You See Her, Say Hello. If you ever come by this way Jackie, this was with you in mind.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8ts9aLsxkPc
Boss
Re: Outspoken Day
Posted: Thu Nov 12, 2009 1:02 pm
by mat james
Why do you think I may be of any help? I am but a speck in the great cosmic dance, but a nuance in this drama we call ‘life’. All I can say is this, Gullivor, if you want help and if you want to be able to give of yourself, ask God.
St. Boss.
There is a way for us - The Leonard Cohen Forum Charity. Why not? We could do it couldn’t we?[/quote] St. Boss.
I have considered the forum charity idea at length and while I appreciate what Violet and Mat wrote I don’t feel I could tackle such a challenge right now. I’ve put it on a back burner -
"Fear not, little flock; for it is your Father's good pleasure to give you the kingdom. Sell that ye have, and give alms..." - Immanuel
Less talk and more action Boss.

get on with it
don't avoid it
it was your suggestion
do it
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