Hi Tim,
Personally, I think that Jarkko should get the jack boots out and give efc a taste of his own politics!
Cheers, John E
Threads with political contents to a new section
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efc
Re: Threads with political contents to a new section
Very flouncy Tim, and my comment was directed at you not Jarkko. If it makes you happy I'd already posted in another thread about the new Politics forum being a good thing.Tim wrote:I also have a 'foes' list so i have to make a special effort just to read your posts. So don't worry, I won't be complaining about any of your other posts, reasonable or not. And if you think that was sucking up, you fail to appreciate the history of this forum, of the files, of Jarkko and myself and others. Perhaps you should be more grateful than you appear to be, for the freedom you have here? Enough, anyway, I won't need to complain about your posts, or anyone else's, on here again.
Tim
What's with the my not being grateful for the freedon I have here. Should I be grateful for being able to respond to allegations of racism, sexism, genocide (?) courtesy of Lizzytosh's gibberish, and fascism, the sort of defamatory comments that your ilk have used to describe me.
Perhaps you could refer me to your posts denouncing said comments, because making defamatory comments is even more serious than posting more threads than you deem reasonable.
Re: Threads with political contents to a new section
I'd like to see any inflammatory threads against any nation, people, gender,
minority group, etc. be dropped lower than the political contents section
into the trash -- Jew baiting/Israel bashing included. I know Leonard
Cohen fans who have visited this forum and been disgusted enough
by some of the viciousness by just a few people, that they
might not come back here.
minority group, etc. be dropped lower than the political contents section
into the trash -- Jew baiting/Israel bashing included. I know Leonard
Cohen fans who have visited this forum and been disgusted enough
by some of the viciousness by just a few people, that they
might not come back here.
Re: Threads with political contents to a new section
My personal view is that:
1. The "Politics" section should be closed and threads from it re-located back to "Everything Else".
2. A set of guidelines should be formulated, published and adhered to governing future political posting on the forum.
I would like to see the following:
1. No "domestic party politics". This is an international forum. The internal party politics of a particular member's country is not a matter of keen interest to the wider membership. Ultimately, the views expressed in party political discussions and the stances taken are just a form of "selling" no different in complexion from commercial spam.
2. Political threads should be restricted to discussion of current international news stories whilst they remain current, subject to contributors complying with the other rules. Once the "news story" goes off the headline agenda in the international media, the corresponding thread should be locked. Political discussions which revolve exclusively around historical matters and particular interpetations of history should be removed.
3. Posts which are racist, sexist or otherwise likely to cause offence to a substantial number of contributing members by ascribing fault, blame or any other shared characteristics to a generalised nation, class, race, religion or other group rather than the specific instigators of the incident discussed should be forbidden and summarily deleted. No one is innocent with the possible exception of the newborn. Life is not as black and white as in cowboy movies (and there is a case in point). I'm an individual with my own personal faults and foibles, but I will not have ascribed to me "guilt by association" as a representative member of my country, my sex, my skin colour etc. I wouldn't expect to be able to lay "collective guilt" at anyone else's door as a matter of respectful reciprocation.
1. The "Politics" section should be closed and threads from it re-located back to "Everything Else".
2. A set of guidelines should be formulated, published and adhered to governing future political posting on the forum.
I would like to see the following:
1. No "domestic party politics". This is an international forum. The internal party politics of a particular member's country is not a matter of keen interest to the wider membership. Ultimately, the views expressed in party political discussions and the stances taken are just a form of "selling" no different in complexion from commercial spam.
2. Political threads should be restricted to discussion of current international news stories whilst they remain current, subject to contributors complying with the other rules. Once the "news story" goes off the headline agenda in the international media, the corresponding thread should be locked. Political discussions which revolve exclusively around historical matters and particular interpetations of history should be removed.
3. Posts which are racist, sexist or otherwise likely to cause offence to a substantial number of contributing members by ascribing fault, blame or any other shared characteristics to a generalised nation, class, race, religion or other group rather than the specific instigators of the incident discussed should be forbidden and summarily deleted. No one is innocent with the possible exception of the newborn. Life is not as black and white as in cowboy movies (and there is a case in point). I'm an individual with my own personal faults and foibles, but I will not have ascribed to me "guilt by association" as a representative member of my country, my sex, my skin colour etc. I wouldn't expect to be able to lay "collective guilt" at anyone else's door as a matter of respectful reciprocation.
Re: Threads with political contents to a new section
UrPal wrote:My personal view is that:
1. The "Politics" section should be closed and threads from it re-located back to "Everything Else".
2. A set of guidelines should be formulated, published and adhered to governing future political posting on the forum.
UrPal wrote:I don't suppose its possible for the threads added to the new political section to be filtered out of the "recent posts" selection so that the many of us visiting this newsagent to browse the music mags don't get distracted by the latest headlines of the national enquirer?
Well, it appears to be either UrPal's way or UrHigh way!UrPal wrote:and how about a special section for "Pornography" too?
I hope that put like that the answer is obvious.
Don't flame me again, Mr. Pal, I just thought of that joke and needed to get it out!
I can be ur pal too, give me another chance!
John K.
I love to speak with John
He's a pundit and a fraud
He's a lazy banker living in a suit
http://www.johnkloberdanz.com
He's a pundit and a fraud
He's a lazy banker living in a suit
http://www.johnkloberdanz.com
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efc
Re: Threads with political contents to a new section
Why the problem with a political forum. No-one is forcing you to go into that forum.UrPal wrote:My personal view is that:
1. The "Politics" section should be closed and threads from it re-located back to "Everything Else".
2. A set of guidelines should be formulated, published and adhered to governing future political posting on the forum.
I would like to see the following:
1. No "domestic party politics". This is an international forum. The internal party politics of a particular member's country is not a matter of keen interest to the wider membership. Ultimately, the views expressed in party political discussions and the stances taken are just a form of "selling" no different in complexion from commercial spam.
2. Political threads should be restricted to discussion of current international news stories whilst they remain current, subject to contributors complying with the other rules. Once the "news story" goes off the headline agenda in the international media, the corresponding thread should be locked. Political discussions which revolve exclusively around historical matters and particular interpetations of history should be removed.
3. Posts which are racist, sexist or otherwise likely to cause offence to a substantial number of contributing members by ascribing fault, blame or any other shared characteristics to a generalised nation, class, race, religion or other group rather than the specific instigators of the incident discussed should be forbidden and summarily deleted. No one is innocent with the possible exception of the newborn. Life is not as black and white as in cowboy movies (and there is a case in point). I'm an individual with my own personal faults and foibles, but I will not have ascribed to me "guilt by association" as a representative member of my country, my sex, my skin colour etc. I wouldn't expect to be able to lay "collective guilt" at anyone else's door as a matter of respectful reciprocation.
If say US politics is not of interest to a wider audience why is it covered in so much detail internationally, why did people comment on Obama's inauguration, and why did so many at all of Leonard's concerts enjoy the "Democracy is coming to the USA" line so much they cheered.
Jarkko has noted the interest in politics and reflected accordingly.
I don't think your comments reflect reality.
Re: Threads with political contents to a new section
A lot of people around the world had a short term interest in the outcome of the US elections and, like the first landing on the moon, had an enthusiasm for the hitherto improbable spectacle of witnessing the election of the first black president of the US. That doesn't mean everyone is expecting some kind of seismic shift in the political cosmos or wish now to wholly engage themselves in every nuance of US government policy. Today's newspapers are tomorrow's trash.
I would like to be able to ignore the political section of the forum, but use the "view new posts" filter to keep up with what's going on here and find that political threads regularly featuring prominently in the selection. Being susceptible in an idle moment of boredom (and we all have them), I sometimes find myself drawn against my better judgement, and more like a moth to the flame than through any exercise of positive thinking, into one or other of them.
I have to admit that every time I delve into these threads I come away feeling sullied: saddened by the narrow minded egoism afoot in them and the lack of resolution. It strikes me that most of the stuff posted in the political discussions is just a bunch of white middle class fellas removed an academic distance from the issues they are discussing engaged in a combative intellectual wank off.
It makes no difference. These politics exist in a virtual world and cannot impact on reality, except perhaps to make those of us who prefer to concentrate on the finer aspects of endeavour of the human beast feel world weary. I guess that last problem is my greatest objection.
If intellectually massaging themselves in a "contained environment" by the political animals on here somehow keeps these issues off the streets then maybe it's a good thing? That is one possible point in its favour.
I would like to be able to ignore the political section of the forum, but use the "view new posts" filter to keep up with what's going on here and find that political threads regularly featuring prominently in the selection. Being susceptible in an idle moment of boredom (and we all have them), I sometimes find myself drawn against my better judgement, and more like a moth to the flame than through any exercise of positive thinking, into one or other of them.
I have to admit that every time I delve into these threads I come away feeling sullied: saddened by the narrow minded egoism afoot in them and the lack of resolution. It strikes me that most of the stuff posted in the political discussions is just a bunch of white middle class fellas removed an academic distance from the issues they are discussing engaged in a combative intellectual wank off.
It makes no difference. These politics exist in a virtual world and cannot impact on reality, except perhaps to make those of us who prefer to concentrate on the finer aspects of endeavour of the human beast feel world weary. I guess that last problem is my greatest objection.
If intellectually massaging themselves in a "contained environment" by the political animals on here somehow keeps these issues off the streets then maybe it's a good thing? That is one possible point in its favour.