It's me again Heathcliff ~
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Michael, they're Troll hunting again!!!
Albert's going to leave a false scent. He's had a huge bottle of honey and the smell will be terrible.
It's about time this thread got some of the bear treatment.
Clothes pegs all round. Don't say you haven't been warned!
Where did I put that old "washing list"?
Let's see who's awake for that one?
Albert's going to leave a false scent. He's had a huge bottle of honey and the smell will be terrible.
It's about time this thread got some of the bear treatment.
Clothes pegs all round. Don't say you haven't been warned!
Where did I put that old "washing list"?
Let's see who's awake for that one?"Bipolar is a roller-coaster ride without a seat belt. One day you're flying with the fireworks; for the next month you're being scraped off the trolley" I said that.
I'll examine these past/current threads as you've suggested, Byron.
However, without being June or Spirit Friend, or paying attention to what was said/done in the past, or its effect, I responded to Heathcliffe in my own way, as is my inclination for some, unknown reason.
If he mixed-and-matched, with the names of those who did/didn't do so [take the piss out of him], then nothing conclusive [that I can see] can be said, as to why he called out the names he did upon his return. June was a natural ~ Laurie was not. [Tee-hee ~ this is beginning to feel like one of those weekend, murder-mystery-solving escapades, where a group goes to a hotel for the weekend and follows their clues to see who the winner will be ~ well, so much for the Clueless amongst the lot ~
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However, regardless of any of the above, we have several back in March, who took Heathcliffe seriously and responded with kindness and tolerance. For who knows what reason, I didn't respond at all. [Oh, I know what it was ~ I was basically out-of-pocket from here for about six months ~ glorious days for Laurie from what I've heard .] This time, there was a new batch of those who took Heathcliffe seriously. The negative naysayer in question here [Laurie] returned with her same negativity toward him [we'll give her the benefit of the doubt of recalling him from previously, though not a thing in her follow-up post, of late, would suggest that ~ unless she wants to claim that the "quit whining" went backwards to the first time, as well; however, if one is doing an additional posting that much later, mention of the earlier time would have been included, i.e. "You've been whining for 7 months ~ get over it!" But, whatever......that's more of a non-issue than anything]. Even so, nothing ~ that's as in zero ~ to suggest any suspicion of its being a wind-up. That's the issue, the arrogant, condescending one that automatically [of course] places one somehow even higher above [only per one's own perceptions, of course] those who would take him seriously and respond in kind and kindness.
So, because life and its problems have not resolved themselves, one is never to return with mention or outpouring of a continuing saga/sob story in one's life? Is that the rule? If one does so, then it's automatically to be presumed to be a ruse/a wind-up from the beginning? A ploy? What if the basic words ~ sadness, loneliness, hurt, abandonment, seeking of love and trust, etc. ~ have simply not changed in the past 7 months? What if!?!
We're not all made from the same cookie-cutter. Some are more emotional, some less, some seemingly not at all. Some are stoic, some are rude, some are [continuing endless supply of somes]. The suicide rate for teenagers is abysmally high here. That suggests lack of coping mechanisms, and a disproportionate concern/obsession with the emotional realm. Young adults do the same. Middle-age and older adults, do it, as well. For different reasons. That damn cookie cutter just keeps getting broken. At 23, the possibilities exist that ~ even though suicide may not be the concern ~ one could be all caught up and tangled in the emotional realm.
Or ~ it could all be a ruse. However, I choose to believe it's not [despite all you've said]. If I'm wrong, I'm wrong. It's not necessary for me to fall in with the crowd ~ however big, small, or boisterous it may be. It's fine for me to be 'taken in' and respond with kindness. It's fine for me to not have decided on my past experiences [as I had none] that this person is disingenuous [whatever the correct spelling is], and to stand by my beliefs.
You know, who knows what the needs may be of the person writing this [even if they made up every, last detail] ~ perhaps, I've fallen into an unmet-needs trap. So!?! However, that's for me to live with. Why is it so essential to anyone that I see this person as the fraud that you folks take him to be? You could settle for a "Laugh at Lizzy" party behind my back for my naievete. In fact, I have names I can give you for the guest list ~ including some people, who are probably already participating at some level in all of this .
My primary objections here were:
(1) The wailing wall of 'victimization' that resulted because I simply suggested that if one is going to be called names, then what about the other? [Particularly, now that I've seen the March posts, it would seem even more appropriate.]
Whereas, one may consider me clueless; I've rarely seen here someone so prone to poking, jabbing, and slicing, and then run screaming that they are a victim.
(2) The absurd proposition that this was perceived as a wind-up by that same person. Anyone who can put 2 thoughts together can read these posts and see that wind-up had nothing to do with the responses given. Callousness, maybe; right out of the gate, in fact.
Okay, that's it for now. I need to get back to my Clue sheet .
Thanks for trying / to pull the scales / from / my eyes ~~~~ I thought they were / there / for good ~~~~ so I never tried......I just said, "Hey ~ What d'ya expect? I'm a Pisces. You get eyelashes in yours. I get scales in mine."
Loooooove yaaaaaaa,
Lizzy
Whoops ~ Almost forgot. Shall I do the Laurie thing here and tell June and Spirit Friend to sit down and shut up ?
However, without being June or Spirit Friend, or paying attention to what was said/done in the past, or its effect, I responded to Heathcliffe in my own way, as is my inclination for some, unknown
reason.If he mixed-and-matched, with the names of those who did/didn't do so [take the piss out of him], then nothing conclusive [that I can see] can be said, as to why he called out the names he did upon his return. June was a natural ~ Laurie was not. [Tee-hee ~ this is beginning to feel like one of those weekend, murder-mystery-solving escapades, where a group goes to a hotel for the weekend and follows their clues to see who the winner will be ~ well, so much for the Clueless amongst the lot ~
.]However, regardless of any of the above, we have several back in March, who took Heathcliffe seriously and responded with kindness and tolerance. For who knows what reason, I didn't respond at all. [Oh, I know what it was ~ I was basically out-of-pocket from here for about six months ~ glorious days for Laurie from what I've heard
.] This time, there was a new batch of those who took Heathcliffe seriously. The negative naysayer in question here [Laurie] returned with her same negativity toward him [we'll give her the benefit of the doubt of recalling him from previously, though not a thing in her follow-up post, of late, would suggest that ~ unless she wants to claim that the "quit whining" went backwards to the first time, as well; however, if one is doing an additional posting that much later, mention of the earlier time would have been included, i.e. "You've been whining for 7 months ~ get over it!" But, whatever......that's more of a non-issue than anything]. Even so, nothing ~ that's as in zero ~ to suggest any suspicion of its being a wind-up. That's the issue, the arrogant, condescending one that automatically [of course] places one somehow even higher above [only per one's own perceptions, of course] those who would take him seriously and respond in kind and kindness.So, because life and its problems have not resolved themselves, one is never to return with mention or outpouring of a continuing saga/sob story in one's life? Is that the rule? If one does so, then it's automatically to be presumed to be a ruse/a wind-up from the beginning? A ploy? What if the basic words ~ sadness, loneliness, hurt, abandonment, seeking of love and trust, etc. ~ have simply not changed in the past 7 months? What if!?!
We're not all made from the same cookie-cutter. Some are more emotional, some less, some seemingly not at all. Some are stoic, some are rude, some are [continuing endless supply of somes]. The suicide rate for teenagers is abysmally high here. That suggests lack of coping mechanisms, and a disproportionate concern/obsession with the emotional realm. Young adults do the same. Middle-age and older adults, do it, as well. For different reasons. That damn cookie cutter just keeps getting broken. At 23, the possibilities exist that ~ even though suicide may not be the concern ~ one could be all caught up and tangled in the emotional realm.
Or ~ it could all be a ruse. However, I choose to believe it's not [despite all you've said]. If I'm wrong, I'm wrong. It's not necessary for me to fall in with the crowd ~ however big, small, or boisterous it may be. It's fine for me to be 'taken in' and respond with kindness. It's fine for me to not have decided on my past experiences [as I had none] that this person is disingenuous [whatever the correct spelling is], and to stand by my beliefs.
You know, who knows what the needs may be of the person writing this [even if they made up every, last detail] ~ perhaps, I've fallen into an unmet-needs trap. So!?! However, that's for me to live with. Why is it so essential to anyone that I see this person as the fraud that you folks take him to be? You could settle for a "Laugh at Lizzy" party behind my back for my naievete. In fact, I have names I can give you for the guest list ~ including some people, who are probably already participating at some level in all of this
.My primary objections here were:
(1) The wailing wall of 'victimization' that resulted because I simply suggested that if one is going to be called names, then what about the other? [Particularly, now that I've seen the March posts, it would seem even more appropriate.]
Whereas, one may consider me clueless; I've rarely seen here someone so prone to poking, jabbing, and slicing, and then run screaming that they are a victim.
(2) The absurd proposition that this was perceived as a wind-up by that same person. Anyone who can put 2 thoughts together can read these posts and see that wind-up had nothing to do with the responses given. Callousness, maybe; right out of the gate, in fact.
Okay, that's it for now. I need to get back to my Clue sheet
. Thanks for trying / to pull the scales / from / my eyes ~~~~ I thought they were / there / for good ~~~~ so I never tried......I just said, "Hey ~ What d'ya expect? I'm a Pisces. You get eyelashes in yours. I get scales in mine."
Loooooove yaaaaaaa,
Lizzy
Whoops ~ Almost forgot. Shall I do the Laurie thing here and tell June and Spirit Friend to sit down and shut up
?Bloody brilliant.
IF i respond to a troll negatively it is grounds for condemnation. The fact that they are screwing with folks emotions is beside the point. The only proper response is one of love and compassion, treating their bullshit like it is real...thereby making ourselves look like the picture of understanding and compassion.
Brilliant.
Besides _______ (insert whatever crap excuse you can come up with now that the 'facts' are a little more clear)
IF i respond to a troll negatively it is grounds for condemnation. The fact that they are screwing with folks emotions is beside the point. The only proper response is one of love and compassion, treating their bullshit like it is real...thereby making ourselves look like the picture of understanding and compassion.
Brilliant.
Besides _______ (insert whatever crap excuse you can come up with now that the 'facts' are a little more clear)
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"Bipolar is a roller-coaster ride without a seat belt. One day you're flying with the fireworks; for the next month you're being scraped off the trolley" I said that.
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Imagine for argument's sake that;
A person came into this thread and shouted "Fire!"
Everyone reacted in their own way.
The resulting mayhem, melee, and crashing into one another, has hurt a lot of people.
There is no fire. But I do smell a rat.
I'm speaking metaphorically of course. Think about it.
A person came into this thread and shouted "Fire!"
Everyone reacted in their own way.
The resulting mayhem, melee, and crashing into one another, has hurt a lot of people.
There is no fire. But I do smell a rat.
I'm speaking metaphorically of course. Think about it.
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"Bipolar is a roller-coaster ride without a seat belt. One day you're flying with the fireworks; for the next month you're being scraped off the trolley" I said that.
I thought you weren't reading anymore, Laurie.
Whoops ~ you're right, Byron. Someone should have announced immediately that this person was a fraud. Then, all sheep should have fallen into line, so all could exit the theatre in orderly fashion.
WHY the, said "knew everything right from the beginning" person didn't do everyone that favour is beyond me.....I mean certainly she's there to protect "everyone's emotions" [rather the fox guarding the hen house, to me, but you can trust her in that regard, if you like].
The "only proper response" had nothing to do with what was "only" or what was "proper." It had to do with what was individual. That was my own, individual choice [to which I reserve the right, shall I add for clarification to anyone who might not get it] ~ with the goal of "making ourselves look like the picture of understanding and compassion"? Mmmm. Nope. Can't go there. Wasn't try to make myself look any particular way. In fact, just responding from my own heart, in the way I saw fit. However, I didn't dictate how anyone should respond to Heathcliffe. It was Heathcliffe, whom I addressed, after he dove in on Vince. However, once he pulled back from Vince and even apologized ~ I did not continue with anything related to Laurie. Made a small joke and was done with it.
The real "pit bulls" here are in sheep's clothing, hanging out at the wailing wall.
~ Lizzy
Whoops ~ you're right, Byron. Someone should have announced immediately that this person was a fraud. Then, all sheep should have fallen into line, so all could exit the theatre in orderly fashion.
WHY the, said "knew everything right from the beginning" person didn't do everyone that favour is beyond me.....I mean certainly she's there to protect "everyone's emotions" [rather the fox guarding the hen house, to me, but you can trust her in that regard, if you like].
The "only proper response" had nothing to do with what was "only" or what was "proper." It had to do with what was individual. That was my own, individual choice [to which I reserve the right, shall I add for clarification to anyone who might not get it] ~ with the goal of "making ourselves look like the picture of understanding and compassion"? Mmmm. Nope. Can't go there. Wasn't try to make myself look any particular way. In fact, just responding from my own heart, in the way I saw fit. However, I didn't dictate how anyone should respond to Heathcliffe. It was Heathcliffe, whom I addressed, after he dove in on Vince. However, once he pulled back from Vince and even apologized ~ I did not continue with anything related to Laurie. Made a small joke and was done with it.
The real "pit bulls" here are in sheep's clothing, hanging out at the wailing wall.
~ Lizzy
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"Bipolar is a roller-coaster ride without a seat belt. One day you're flying with the fireworks; for the next month you're being scraped off the trolley" I said that.
st elizabeth wrote
Here look.
It is a single finger salute. Just for you.
YES!! There should have been a Fool Patrol to stop me from making as ass out of myself and falsely accusing Laurie of being heinous. Amen
My arm is getting tired...you get the picture.
Now THAT is heinous
L
Somebody owes me an apology
Lizzy.Whoops ~ you're right, Byron. Someone should have announced immediately that this person was a fraud. Then, all sheep should have fallen into line, so all could exit the theatre in orderly fashion.
Here look.
It is a single finger salute. Just for you.
YES!! There should have been a Fool Patrol to stop me from making as ass out of myself and falsely accusing Laurie of being heinous. Amen
My arm is getting tired...you get the picture.
Now THAT is heinous
L
Somebody owes me an apology
Oh ~ so there were others that belonged in that line, thinking that Laurie was "heinous"!?! Geezuz woman ~ from where do you get this VICTIM complex!?! Change the word a bit ~ so the line existed, eh? It wasn't just me, eh? Well, now. Interesting.
OMG ~ "Somebody owes me an apology " ~ Well, dear one, it sure isn't me. You sure got that VICTIM role down to a "T" though. I won't give you an apology, but I can sure give you kudos on that 
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OMG ~ "Somebody owes me an apology " ~ Well, dear one, it sure isn't me. You sure got that VICTIM role down to a "T" though. I won't give you an apology, but I can sure give you kudos on that .It's an adjective lizzy. I was just trying to expand on your exposition of my 'negative' (can't quote how many times you accused me of that!) posts to your imaginary friend.
Sucker.
And you Know i don't subscribe to anyone being a Victim including myself.
I do recognize that you are a bully, so it must be the reflection that confusing you...That and your guilty conscience knowing that you owe me an apology for all the nonsense you have been attibuting to me which didn't apply afterall....
Sucker.
And you Know i don't subscribe to anyone being a Victim including myself.
I do recognize that you are a bully, so it must be the reflection that confusing you...That and your guilty conscience knowing that you owe me an apology for all the nonsense you have been attibuting to me which didn't apply afterall....
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