Sadness and Joy in the News

[Young dr. Freud]

I may just return to Nan's posting and not bother with yours, anymore. Then, again, I may. Don't know.

Face it, Lizzytysh. You're drawn to me.


YdF

[lizzytysh]

Yes, I do have the ability to be condescending and sarcastic when the situation calls for it. However, it's not my norm. That's the key. Weighing one or even several posts, in the midst of conflict, does not determine who I am. However, one would find remarkable consistency in yours, if they felt like taking the trouble. Personally, I have no desire to reread your postings.

Your seriousness in this is pitifully revealed with your "Lizzytysh" suggestion.

Take your mind off me for a minute, YdF, and think of someone else other than me, or yourself, for a change ~ period. Pick up a paper and read. Do whatever.

Bye.

[Young dr. Freud]

Take your mind off me for a minute, YdF, and think of someone else other than me, or yourself, for a change

What a good suggestion. I'm going to think about Leonard right now. Don't you agree his problems are small potatoes? I mean...like not being able to afford those three-hundred dollar bottles of wine. Good thing bubble bath is cheap.

YdF

[LaurieAK]

lizzy wrote:

well.......I really feel she needs a promotion into the mental health field......get her out from behind that computer, office-managing data entry, and put her where she can actually do some good!

This is another thing about you lizz. You are constantly exposing things you know about people from 'behind the scenes' and bringing them to the forum as if the other party has given you permission to reveal private things about them.

You did this recently to Partisan for a quick, recent example when you exposed things you knew about him and his schooling, etc as if it was YOUR information to publicy disclose.

This is some bad behavior at best. Says more about the messenger than the message, ya know?

I suggest everyone should watch what they reveal to you in pm. The above and the Partisan post are not isolated incidents of you doing this.

Laurie

[Paula]

Just checked out the "Why do you post" thread. I really miss Godzilla what happened to him. Arrrrrrrrrrrrrrr

[Nan]

Linda, Lizzytysh,

Some of the Police officers might need some rest. Those that didn't turn tail and run. But Las Vegas? Bright Lights, gambleing, Showgirls, Fun City, Sin City, etc. etc. "Let's send them to Las Vegas", the city that is open 24 hours a day. That doesn't make sense. Sounds like a junket. Why wouldn't these police officers be sent to rejoin their families? Are they going by themselves to Las Vegas, leaving their families behind? ANd what kind of men are they anyway?

[bee]

And I can talk about it myself. Guess what. You've landed in a country of free speech [for the most part]. I come from that inborn and parentally-encouraged perspective; and in this area of cyberspace we share, it still actually exists.

I did not object to your right to express yourself! Inborn and parentally-encouraged perspective? Are you suggesting that for me, not being born here, there no prespective, or understanding, or desire of freedom of speech?

When it comes to having some style and some taste ~ if you and YdF, singly or in collaboration, offer classes on same, you'd better charge the highest fees and employ a great marketer for advertising your services. Otherwise, don't expect your enrollment to be high. For those duped into attending, don't expect your end-of-class [an ironic and unexpected double meaning there!] evaluations to be favourable.

This is an exact sample to what I meant- style&taste. Don't even try, if you can't do it! H

Ahhh ~ the complacency that religion provides, as long as it's someone else. I didn't hear those platitudes when your dear friend died the most comfortable of deaths, even privileged to play major aspects of it out ahead of time ~ and in the safety and comfort of an intact home and friends.

Should I feel guilty about it?

Of course, you would fire me ~ because my politically-incorrect action might affect your bottom line. Customer lost. Profit. Such a GOOD 'American' you've become; or, perhaps, that's what drew you here in the first place. That precious priority. Dollars over people ~ well, unless they're your own. But then, ethnocentricity and egocentricity are some of the easier lessons learned when hitting these shores, anyway; and immersion learning works particularly well for those trying to assuage their guilt for having left their homeland, rather than remaining to try to make things better, for all, there, those left behind. Do you at least write? Send photos?

Lizzy, I came to this country following my husband who worked at the Academy of science, was invited by his colleges from Silicon Valley to work on the project. My husband, I and our young son at that time,- we were granted a residency/greencard. In my homeland I worked as a freelance artist for a big publishing house, (book covers, illustrations, graphic designe)making good living, also selling my paintings through galleries. I had my name established, good standing and connections in society.
I had to start from point zero in USA.

That precious priority. Dollars over

people ~ well, unless they're your own.

This statement of yours is most appalling to me, because you are projecting your vulgar assumptions, nothing more is there. [/b]Anybody, who has a bit of knowledge about artworld knows, how hard it is to establish oneself in a foreign country, without artworld connections etc. One has to be very good. To be very good, takes about 14-18 hours a day work, which does not pay your bills.There are massive obstacles to overcome, which requiers discipline and focus. Hopefully, in a year you'll read my name in Artnews magazine, I am working on it.

However, Bee, some things are worth getting fired for ~ perhaps, pricking a conscience into the body's taking action;

For many years I've been on several charity boards, fundraising and doing my charity work. People usually don't advertise about that, unless the fundrising is going on.

Of course, you would fire me ~ because my politically-incorrect action might affect your bottom line. Customer lost. Profit. Such a GOOD 'American' you've become; or, perhaps, that's what drew you here in the first place. That precious priority. Dollars over people ~ well, unless they're your own. But then, ethnocentricity and egocentricity are some of the easier lessons learned when hitting these shores, anyway; and immersion learning works particularly well for those trying to assuage their guilt for having left their homeland, rather than remaining to try to make things better, for all, there, those left behind. Do you at least write? Send photos?

I was not a refuge for finacial reason, or pollitical. I have no guilt, there was no need for me to make things better in my homeland. My homeland is OK, doing well, part of EU, beautiful country, I suggest you visit there.

You might be surprized how slow help would come to your own, immigrant community. As much as you may be trying to integrate and become a thriving capitalist in this materialistic society we live in, when push came to shove, you would not be first on the rescue priority sheet ~ not by a long shot.

My Immigrant community came here from DP camps in Germany, 1945-1952. My uncle Karl lived in Boston since 1934. There have been already 4 generations in USA, people are quite integrated, many mixed marriages, we don't live in ghettos. I don't think that there would be special lists of families with Latvian names, not to be rescued if anything happens. Besides, we are quite organized ourselves, we have funds and means to relay on.
Your post is arrogant, rude and racist.

[Tchocolatl]

The blueberries of Lac Saint-Jean goes well Tri-me, as far as I know.

I can not understand why people, like Fats Domino and family, who could evacuate did not do it, really in this case, I think that he forged alone his bad luck and also for people who did stay home if they new the danger.

Not everybody though had somewhere to go out of the area. I wonder if all the churches basements and school and arena around had offered shelter and welcome them during Katrina's passages, how many people would have stay there. I wonder.

I could understand that people who had nowhere to go out of the area just went to the superdome as they were told, and that was part of an emergency plan and they could have been rescued on the first day as they were all concentrate in an easy place to find.

Second, the see walls were not suppose to broke and why they did was discussed before. I guess that people are reading posts. It is not New Orleans authorities' fault in this case.

After the hurricane, facing a flood like this, I wonder if any emergency plans would have worked, anyway, and remimber that no other area is built half (so to speak) under sea level, like this, so emergency plans are more easy to practice.

I don't want to deprive any person or authority of its precious responsibility, but to use a very simple image, not to say childish, but so very suitable : if your baby-sitter, facing a disaster of some sort that happen to your house, do not act in the best ways possible, or exaclty like you would expect, would you stay where you are, arm crossed, blaming in details every moves the b-s and your children are doing. No. You rush to help them, and after you look at the situation and even punish if needed. This is what people do when they really care. If you don't, but just think that your car may be injured while going there, and with the price of gaz so high, eh? You have to think twice, well, the conclusion is easy : you just don't care. This is the point.

[Tchocolatl]

If you meant this, Tri-me, with only material losts, it does not match the 10,000 (more or less) deads of the New-Orleans.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/cpress/20050902 ... e_washouts

http://www.radio-canada.ca/nouvelles/In ... NORD.shtml

In Japan, they avoid, in the last news, too much problem with the big buterfly.

[lizzytysh]

LAKing Something ~

WoW. Sure gotta watch me! Or, maybe you should start with home base and watch what you reveal to the world in your Profile ~ you may just see it turn up on the Forum one day.

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You also seem to think that Partisan revealed this to me personally and/or in a PM? Rather than its being a matter of public discussion here? Well, I guess, perhaps, that was because you've been hanging out in the Member's Poetry thread ~ where the vast majority of your postings reside ~ and missed it here.

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Perhaps, one should really watch someone who's HEdoublehockeysticks- [I liked that, Tri-Me] bent on disparaging you.

[Tchocolatl]

I would have thought Partisan and Lz would be the least two persons to correspond in private. Though one could never be sure about anything.

Do you want guns ladies? Maybe there is some left to stole. It is really appropriate in the middle of such a dramatic discussion, but being ridiculous never kill anybody.

Have a nice day!

[lizzytysh]

Bee ~

Your perspective on free speech can be whatever you want it to be. I was talking about mine ~ from several perspectives.

I'm not concerned with measuring up to any of your ideas of style and taste. I've seen plenty enough here from you to deter that notion.

I was not suggesting you feel guilty about the closeness you and your friend had as she left this world. I was talking about the espousing of platitudes regarding religion, as opposed to the physical and governmental failures in the New Orleans tragedy. I brought up your friend because the platitudes were notably absent.

The wife of a Silicon Valley recruit is not point zero ~ no matter how you might want to twist it. You might have to work hard because that field is hard to 'make a living' in, but there were 'connections' right off the top for you. Previous employment with a "big publishing house" on a resume, with a broad range of experience, geared to earning a daily living, and a history of selling your paintings through galleries ~ "name established, good standing and connections in society" ~ these did not put you at point zero in the U.S.A. The world has become very integrated and international in nature.

Any 'assumptions' I'm putting on you are based on information you're providing here with the things you say about things and to other people; how you seem to think; and what your priorities appear to be.

What you've been doing for years has nothing to do with what I did regarding the woman I spoke to. It had to do with my perspective, had I lost the job as a result. An interesting twist you gave it, though.

As for your leaving, I won't go into your husband's possible increase of income. That may or may not have been a part of it. It's irrelevant enough. However, what you've said during this time certainly has dollars right up there.

My point about "your own immigrant community" definitely broad-brushed the situation, perhaps unfavourably. However, I know there to be one where you live. The bottom line ~ which you'll see [if you keep your eyes and ears open as this whole thing, and the pursuing investigations, proceed] has to do with priorities and meauring the 'value' of people, based on things like race and economics. Some are disposable. Others are not.

My post may have been perceived as rude by you, but you are particularly sensitive to things coming your direction. It's not arrogant and it's not racist. When trying to break through a wall of denial about the plight of helpless others, people will sometimes reach to extremes to try to do so. I have. Of course, you would never understand this, with all of your humble, polite, and inoffensive postings as the gold standard.

[Young dr. Freud]

It had to do with my perspective, had I lost the job as a result.

But you didn't lose your job. You didn't get fired for harassing your customers. Yet, you want to collect moral brownie points as though your boss had fired you. Lizzytysh, you can't take credit for being persecuted for your political beliefs if in fact you haven't been persecuted.


YdF

[lizzytysh]

Nan ~

Yes, I agree that the Las Vegas trip strikes you as . Everything you say about Las Vegas is true. I have no idea why they chose that venue for a break. I hope that some mental health/crisis counseling is going to be included, somehow. I would need to hear what the reasoning is behind that choice. It sure doesn't make 'sense' to me, either, at first blush. I have to rationalize the reasons it may have been made. Perhaps, they hope to win back some of what they lost? Gambling doesn't seem the best bet to me, at this point, but who knows. Perhaps, because food is free 24 hours in Las Vegas? Though, that seems like a 'small potatoes' reason for it. I don't know.

I didn't re-hear the broadcast, but it was in an interview on NPR this morning with a police officer, who woke up amidst devastation. He said their precinct was obliterated, so there was no command control, no nothing; but that he was still a police officer, so he began helping as an 'off-duty' one, wherever and however he could. The number seemed outrageously high, but as I said, I didn't hear a rebroadcast, so I couldn't confirm it, but it sounded like he'd said about 1,300 had quit. He didn't say it with rancor, though, but went on to say that nothing, no training, no nothing, had ever prepared them for what they're facing there. He said some officers died in the Hurricane and aftermath; many lost everything they had. Some of their families said, "We're leaving," and they ended up going with them. Two of them committed suicide, shooting themselves in the head. He said people are in shock. He was simply and humbly matter-of-fact that he was just doing whatever he could. No judgement regarding those who were no longer part of the force. He said you have to be there to see it to understand.

~ Lizzy

[LaurieAK]

Lizzy~

What a lovely compassion person you are. True colors can't hide behind your facade.
You print my personal profile on the board?

Bitch of a thing to do...
But of course. You can do and say anything around these parts and know you will have someone to back you up. You do run this part of the country, having seniority and entitlement and all...

So instead of going on correspondence we've had in the distant past you INVESTIGATED me via my Personal Profile to find ammunition to back up your (word anvil) arguments?

You have sunk to a new low. Although I do appreciate you showing your claws minus the smiley faces; a rare occassion, indeed.

Sleep well,
Laurie