Sadness and Joy in the News

linda_lakeside · Post by **linda_lakeside** » Mon Sep 05, 2005 10:37 pm

YdF,

Yep. And you're right in the middle of it.

Linda.

Young dr. Freud · Post by **Young dr. Freud** » Mon Sep 05, 2005 10:45 pm

It is my duty.

YdF

linda_lakeside · Post by **linda_lakeside** » Mon Sep 05, 2005 10:46 pm

And you do a fine job, Sir.

Young dr. Freud · Post by **Young dr. Freud** » Mon Sep 05, 2005 11:04 pm

Thank-you, Linda.

And now back to work.

Dear Lizzytysh,

As much as I enjoy your posts...I am having a hard time believing some of your latest offerings. The story of your employer and the "N" word does not ring psychologically true. Are you absolutely sure you have not embellished it somewhat? Perhaps even a great deal? Why did you not tell us what your reply to your bigoted employer was? The story is sadly unfinished.

As for your harrassment of your customers...people you don't know and whose hearts you don't know...tsk tsk.

YdF

P.S. Wouldn't you agree that in your postings about racial issues you just might be "assuaging" your own "white guilt." Just a thought.

Young dr. Fraud · Post by **Young dr. Fraud** » Mon Sep 05, 2005 11:36 pm

Lizzy - Please don't get yourself upset by this pretender.

A quick check of his postings, going back to January 2003, shows that his ydf persona was even used back then for attacking you...check for yourself, after one post in 2002 the next ones are attacks on you beginning with a poll.

You are not young, and you are not a doctor.

Young dr. Fraud

If this continues, I'll have to post again with a ditty.

sirus · Post by **sirus** » Mon Sep 05, 2005 11:40 pm

Gawd help us. Not a ditty.

Young dr. Freud · Post by **Young dr. Freud** » Mon Sep 05, 2005 11:47 pm

after one post in 2002 the next ones are attacks on you beginning with a poll.

Please, everyone go and read that thread...it is one of the best ones on the forum. A Classic. It's called "Why Do You Post?" Lizzytysh was in her prime on that one. Enchanting.

YdF

lizzytysh · Post by **lizzytysh** » Tue Sep 06, 2005 12:05 am

YdF ~

I'm still floating on the fact that my powers of perception [perhaps, heightened through recent testing at my workplace] got me through my Reading and Comprehension test; I then got flying colours on my Math; and now I'm wondering what additional tests there might be to just get me right on into 1st grade. School has just started, and my dang teacher was just so slow in getting her act together for testing, so now I'm left to pay the price. Personally, I think that she's the one who should get fired. But, that's another story. Okay, I'll try to stay grounded here for a minute to answer you.

You would need to live in the area , to get a real feeling for the ingrained nature of racism. No, I'm not making it up; nor embellishing it. My response was to the effect that, since she's a Christian, and believes in Heaven and Final Judgement, she going to be very shocked and sorry on her Judgement Day, but it'll be too late, then. This has by no means been the only conversation we've had regarding race issues. You can believe it or not; it doesn't change what happened and the way things are. My response has been the same in other conversations with this employer, and with conversations with other Whites in this area, as well. It took me awhile to really, really get it. My denial kept me disbelieving what I was actually hearing. However, the insidiousness and constancy of it, eventually makes it through even the strongest, denial system.

As for the "N" word euphemism, if you're discussing racial issues and leaving out the words "White," "Black," and "nigger," you're only having a pretend conversation. I can see that with your sense of "psychological" denial that your "practice" resides somewhere outside the Deep South; and that you would be woefully inadequate to service Black clients.

There we go again ~ didn't know that customer's heart ~ true. I was remarkably on target with the real deal on her burning desire to help, though.

"Assuaging" my own "white guilt"? You betcha. I am part of a collective that has pretty systematically served to undermine the progress of Blacks, as well as some other minorities. I do feel guilty about what Whites have done to Blacks. I am, unquestionably, White. I feel a kind of shame for some of the things I witness done and said. What I can do, however, is try to be diligent in my awareness of where I'm coming from; and not try to make people who see clearly what is happening think that it's their imagination. I can try to highlight some of the realities and injustices, as well. If 9 people say I'm nuts, and 1 person gets one hit of insight into the broil of it, some progress will have been made. When one really starts to watch and listen, it doesn't take long to figure some things out.

I'm not sure why your "Bud," LAK, would think I'm interested in changing her mind about me, as though something hung in the balance? So, I won't bother returning to her post with her directly. However, when the two of you informally staff my case, could you please pass it on to her that her amazing, perceptive powers, insight, and knowledge on the italicized portions about me [as well as what follows ~ but at least that much at its base] is simply, well.......I really feel she needs a promotion into the mental health field......get her out from behind that computer, office-managing data entry, and put her where she can actually do some good!

You revel in these things. You are at your happiest when most despondent...and you expect everyone within word-shot to agree with your angst, naming it "compassion" and thereby defining those who do not go along with your angst-ecstatic self as, 'not-compassionate'.

It certainly would never make sense that anyone would go off the charts [I wail continuously, you know, consumed by my angst aka pleasure] when following a tragedy of this magnitude. I hope she called in and told Celine Dion to shut up, get a grip, when she gave money and then was adamant that money is not what this is about, and not what those people need, and cried with her head in her hands. She doesn't even live in the U.S. Where in the world could those feelings have possibly come from? Well, ask Laurie. That's all there is to it. She'll straighten it all out.

Thanks.

I still need to get back to Nan's posting.

~ Lizzy

lizzytysh · Post by **lizzytysh** » Tue Sep 06, 2005 12:13 am

Young dr. Fraud ~

Oh, yes, I have a pretty good memory for those who have seemingly made me their pet project

. I'm very aware of YdF's history with regard to me. Hence, finally came my "Do you have a crush on me

?" question ~ posed by another poster [a long time ago], to someone else who took the same approach to me. It's that sort of thing of making it a point to sit behind the girl for "pulling pigtails" thing. The emoticon that could've accompanied my question would have been the

one. However, thanks for calling my attention to the posting history, just in case I had forgotten. However, it takes more than a YdF to upset me ~ Oh dear, I should be capitalizing on it so I could increase my levels of angst and pleasure, to maintain and retain LAK's diagnosis. So much to do. So little time.

With LAK's postings, her avatar comes immediately to mind as I read them. The only thing that's missing is the extended tongue. Now, perhaps, this vision shouldn't cause me to laugh ~ loving it most when I'm drowning in misery ~ but I just can't help myself

. Oh, dear. I really must learn to stayed focus. Sad. Sad. Sad. Perhaps, I should make it my mantra, so I can be sure to stay on track better.

~ Lizzy

Young dr. Freud · Post by **Young dr. Freud** » Tue Sep 06, 2005 12:29 am

My response has been the same in other conversations with this employer, and with conversations with other Whites in this area, as well. It took me awhile to really, really get it. My denial kept me disbelieving what I was actually hearing.

Why did it take you awhile to "really, really get it" if the whites were using the "N" word around you and expressing their racist opinions so freely with you. I don't believe 99.9 per cent of what you write on this subject. I know the Deep South very, very well and you are giving a very skewed picture of it. You are like a lot of people who move to the South and throw up their hands in horror when people are not politically correct the way you think they should be---you start reading things into what people say--just like you probably read "lack of compassion" into the comments you overheard in your restaurant. All of your reported conversations seem to serve only one purpose--to make you look good and everyone else who doesn't agree with your "guilt agenda" look bad. Seriously, you need to chill out a little.

YdF

lizzytysh · Post by **lizzytysh** » Tue Sep 06, 2005 12:50 am

Hi Nan ~

To answer your brief and most recent post, I want to dovetail with what Linda has said. As incongruous and absurd as it may seem, my guess is that the officers themselves were allowed a vote as to where they wanted to go, and that's what they chose. I won't list all my guesses on the possibilities of why. The officers' suicides are real. Officers quitting is real. The trauma is real. In the scheme of things, what is five days and some relief. Not only are these people seeing the most horrific of 'wartime' scenes, but they are having to deal with their anger regarding what they're seeing. However, the most intense thing of it all is they are seeing and finding bodies, en masse, of people they knew! They are seeing their own city destroyed, and everything they can relate to gone, absolutely gone. They may also be concurrently trying to deal with deaths in their own families, but more certainly probably the loss of their homes. Police officers are not well paid anywhere here [except, possibly, NYC, where a college degree is now required ~ but they still may not be duly, financially compensated for that] ~ so the likelihood is that their homes were located in the poorer [most likely not the well-to-do] sections of New Orleans. If they want a break into an unbelievable world of fantasy, if not something they can relate to, like some off-work trips to Biloxi for pleasure, then give these men a break. I believe they've dealt with more in one week than most people will ever have to deal with in a lifetime.

~ Lizzy

lizzytysh · Post by **lizzytysh** » Tue Sep 06, 2005 12:56 am

YdF ~

It took me awhile to actually believe it because it goes deeper than one would ever imagine. Your believing or not believing it is not the crux of the situation. It's far more likely that your own, proclaimed knowledge of the Deep South serves to keep you and your own views in a well-defended position. The skewing that's getting done comes when people try to give the impression that all is well in River City. As long as you continue thinking everything is fine, you'll never once have to consider, what the entire nation is considering, that Bush's lack of effective response to this disaster had anything to do with color and class. Remember that your positions here have always come from a condescending position.

~ Lizzy

lizzytysh · Post by **lizzytysh** » Tue Sep 06, 2005 1:08 am

You also would feel my position to be off-base on still another thing I overheard, as I was leaving work on Friday ~ shared and agreed-upon by two people:

"I am so SICK of hearing people COMPLAIN about not having food and water. They must know that people are doing all they can, and not just sitting around twiddling their thumbs!" Oh, right. The evidence has sure been convincing. Especially with no communication ~ and no answers to questions. It's not like we didn't ALL see the televised, speedy, and intense response to September 11th.

Personally, since help was NOT showing up, I was GLAD to see them complaining and yelling because it was a sign that they still had the will to live and hadn't given up hope, and just laid down and died.

I wanted to ask how many times in a day, while sitting in her air-conditioned house, she reaches into her frig for a cold drink.....I see what she consumes at work. Outside on a hot day, how many drinks does she have? How many times does she sit in the shade.

Some just seem to not 'get it' that we're talking about 5+ days with NO food, NO water, NO shade! People dying and rotting around you. Don't forget that. Now, if you think that my being appalled at this is to give my self a sense of superiority, then that ~ YdF ~ is your problem. Anyone in HALF a right mind would be appalled by this.

However, it certainly does make some uncomfortable [poor, poor babies, the level of discomfort they have to suffer when they turn on that TV] to watch people pleading and yelling, doesn't it. Deep in those velvet seats. And HOW is it that they're supposed to 'know' that someone's doing something. You're full of sh.. if you think that my outrage has to do with wanting to feel superior. You don't grasp the scale of this.

You're plenty chilled ~ and I sure don't need to go your direction.

On the Deep South issues, perhaps, you're feeling some collective guilt there. Solidarity, you know. I may just return to Nan's posting and not bother with yours, anymore. Then, again, I may. Don't know.

~ Elizabeth

Young dr. Freud · Post by **Young dr. Freud** » Tue Sep 06, 2005 1:13 am

Lizzy, you make me laugh and laugh.

Remember that your positions here have always come from a condescending position.

Do you ever go back and read your posts from days of yore? For instance the "Why do You Post" thread. I just perused it...(thanks to Dr. Fraud for bringing it to our attention again)...and laughed a great deal. You are magnificently condescending in it....with a dash of maniacal fury. You know...the letter L is next in line for Hurricane Names. I going to write to the National Weather Center and nominate "Lizzytysh".

YdF

Young dr. Freud · Post by **Young dr. Freud** » Tue Sep 06, 2005 1:17 am

You're full of sh.. if you think that my outrage has to do with wanting to feel superior.

I never said you "wanted" to feel superior. Feeling superior is the natural consequence of all of your emotional bloodletting.

YdF