artist v. con-artist(s): an unhappy battle brewing

[MarieM]

If there are additional facts or if these facts are wrong, please tell me...

Young, these are allegations, not facts. And these allegations are coming from one side of the dispute. But, you know that. So why are you waving these one-sided allegations under our noses? We all can read the news articles and the press releases. We know what the allegations are.

I wouldn't be here if I didn't enjoy Leonard Cohen's music. I am quite fond of certain individuals here. But the blinkered vision is just too much for me.

But this thread has nothing to do with Leonard's music. Yet, I do think you are enjoying it, eh? It gives you pleasure to think that you have removed the blinders from a Cohen fan's eyes, especially if it comes with a little pain. What is it you imagine you are revealing though? These are just allegations from one side that we can read without your help. I don't think you are really providing us with any great service, so what is this little exercise providing you?

[Adrian]

The hard fact that is agreed upon at this stage is that a very large sum of Leonard's money is missing.

How this happened, and who is responsible - none of that is known.

We have a more detailed version of events put forth by only one party to the dispute. (With just enough info from LC's camp to corroborate that a major loss occurred, and the other parties at the scene include Greenberg/Agile and Kelley Lynch.) There are numerous scenarios possible that could cast any one of the parties involved in a different light.

And, Greg, you need not be mad with LC fans - at least not those on this site - over the published view of the Westword article. The author's comment about fans yada yada was one of the glaring distortions in the piece. Had the Denver writer been reading this forum, or, at least, interested in representing its contents in a balanced way, they'd have noted that the primary criticism to that point had been of Leonard's own lawyer - and his suitability, or lack thereof.

There is much more that need be known about the facts of the case - from all sides.

The first shots across the bow have come from the Greenberg/Agile team. This is pretty much standard practice.

There is a saying in sports: "That's why they play the game." The meaning is that a reporter or fan cannot know the outcome until the players have met each other on the field, the court etc. - and there is a conclusion. You cannot know the ending from reading about the game in advance.

And, it could be said: "That's why they try the case." If one was to judge innocence or guilt based on a premature reading, then, the first party or litigant to issue a press release would be deemed innocent.

And that is not necessarily the truth. And it is never the whole truth.

[Young dr. Freud]

Dear Megan,

I am going to chalk up your displeasure with me to your attachment to Leonard Cohen. I have the right to give my views just as anyone else does. I can't help it if you don't agree with them or with the way I express them.

My statement:

"I wouldn't be here if I didn't enjoy Leonard Cohen's music."

The "here" refers to the Forum. Not this particular thread.

You are wrong. I don't think I have removed any blinders. As far as I can tell it appears that there is only the most unswerving support on the forum for Leonard's actions in the Agile mess.

As for my rebuttals and replies to those who have engaged me on this thread...I think they can hold their own against me. I can certainly take anything they dish out.

As for causing pain...I'm sorry if that is what you have felt...but perhaps you shouldn't read this thread if that is the effect it has on you.

I would be delighted to be proven wrong about everything. But I'm not naive. There is a lot going on under the surface that is bound to come out. It is not going to be pretty. You may have to look away.


YdF

[Adrian]

Thanks, Greg, for pointing out the reference in the Westword article to Leonard Cohen's attorney Joe DePlasco.

That may turn out to be another mis-step on the part of the writer. Or it may be that there is a low profile attorney with that name. Web searches don't turn up references to legal counsel named Joe DePlasco, but, instead, reams of copy pertaining to a PR flak named Joe DePlasco of Dan Klores Communications.

As for Greenberg/Agile's counsel, Sherab Posel, someone with the same name, using an email address at the law firm of Boies, Schiller & Flexner, has twice, in recent years, posted for sale, online, tickets to Elvis Costello concerts that he could not attend.

More relevant, likely, to this case is a posting by Sherab Posel to the "Dharma Events NY Message Board" on Yahoo! of a flyer/announcement for HH Kusum Lingpa "for those of you who wish to assist in any way with the upcoming visit. My thanks.
Lama Sherab Dorje"

Not knowing anything about Buddhist dealings, it's not clear to me if Posel was posting on behalf of Lama Sherab Dorje - or that is a name he himself was using. Bottom line - that's the signature on an email sent from Posel's mailbox.

And, as with the earlier links cited to Buddhist factions, this points to a layer of connectivity that could explain a range of actions and motivations.

(LAMA SHERAB DORJE - BIOGRAPHY - Lama Sherab Dorje is a translator, interpreter and teacher in Canada and the United States. Over the past 15 years he has received numerous teachings and empowerments from foremost masters of the Nyingma and Kagyu schools. He has completed a traditional three-year retreat and year-long solitary retreat. He is currently a J.D. candidate at the Law School of Columbia University.)

YdF, you mentioned a real estate connection between LC and some group mentioned in the letter to Tara and Charles Carreon from Kelley Lynch. (Whether that be LC's KL or not, is yet tbd.) What was that about?

As well as needing a business reporter or analyst to probe things, it increasingly sounds like understanding of the environment may require knowledge of various Buddhist groups, and their associations, conflicts etc.

[MarieM]

I am going to chalk up your displeasure with me to your attachment to Leonard Cohen.

Young, just to let you know, I'm no less a bitch when I'm not under the Cohen spell.

I have the right to give my views just as anyone else does. I can't help it if you don't agree with them or with the way I express them.

Come on, Young, the free speech argument is one of last resort. On some boards it is known as the "God-given right to be an idiot" argument. Surely you don't need to state the obvious, that you have a right to state the obvious.

"I wouldn't be here if I didn't enjoy Leonard Cohen's music."

The "here" refers to the Forum. Not this particular thread.

And I was not referring to "here." I was referring to "Leonard Cohen's music" as in, lyrics, songs, vocals, back up singers, musical instruments, etc., all of which are absent from this thread. So, you must enjoy something on this thread other than Leonard's music, what might that be?

You are wrong. I don't think I have removed any blinders. As far as I can tell it appears that there is only the most unswerving support on the forum for Leonard's actions in the Agile mess.

Is this an admission then, that your goal here is to remove the blinders from Cohen fans' eyes? I'm not sorry you haven't been successful. What is that old adage about insanity, doing the same thing over and over but expecting a different result? And why is it important to you to remove the blinders from the eyes of devoted Cohen fans?

As for causing pain...I'm sorry if that is what you have felt...but perhaps you shouldn't read this thread if that is the effect it has on you.

You assume that I am in pain and you are wrong. But if you were causing me pain, is this your declaration that you have that right? It sounds a bit threatening to me, something like, too bad I'm hurting you but I intend to continue, so you better leave.

So, Young, again I ask, what are you finding here that keeps you posting?

[Dem]

Just a minor (off topic) correction:

Greg wrote:

I have gotten what I think of as very useful psychological
insights from some famous sources: - Freud, Adler, Jung,
especially Groddok

It is Groddeck, Georg Groddeck. One of the pioneers of psychoanalysis whose
work The Book Of The It (1923) is a key text in the history of psychoanalytical thought.

It was actually Groddeck's notion of the “Id” (It) as the unconscious force that drives human behaviour that Freud would modify into his concept of the unconscious.

And as about “the old man” calling Jung “meshuga” it wasn’t always so.
Actually at some time Freud considered Jung his most brilliant student and
successor in the leadership of the psychoanalytic movement.

[~greg]

Thanks Dem.

And you know I really am glad that you
weren't blown up in the Athens Olympics.

I like you. And the truth of it is that,
over the years, I have secretly tended to
agreed with you about many things. Most things.
Except for your need to kill me because I'm an American.
That, I can't see the point in.


~gerg

[tomsakic]

Here's a clue. One of them gleefully provided the tidbit about Kelley Lynch jumping into the swimming pool when the SWAT team swooped in.

accuses the pair of instigating an incident in which the Los Angeles Police Department SWAT Team descended on Lynch's home and arrested her in her bathing suit

Here's the first news that Mrs. Lynch was arrested in her bathing suit, dear dr. Fraud. And by the way, she wasn't arested.

[Henning]

Greg - I remember you well in the Montreal-Hotel. I didn't understand a word of what you were saying but I liked you then and I still do now !

Ok - I suggest we relax a bit on this thread now - OMMMMM.

[tomsakic]

Also, dear Freud, I am not naive, nobody is naive. I wonder only what motivates you to keep writing and writinh here in this thread. And if I'm a hypocrite, it's OK as long I'm not on the side you're on.

And speaking about hypocrites who knows much than others, I had impression that you have some hidden knowledge.

YdF, you mentioned a real estate connection between LC and some group mentioned in the letter to Tara and Charles Carreon from Kelley Lynch. (Whether that be LC's KL or not, is yet tbd.) What was that about?

[Young dr. Freud]

Out of respect for the people of London who have suffered greatly today I will refrain for now from answering Marie and Tom's objections to my postings.

As I previously wrote in this thread...this Leonard/Agile Mess is very small potatoes compared to what is going on in the rest of the world.


My prayers are with Paula and everyone else in London.


YdF

[Tchocolatl]

So, you must enjoy something on this thread other than Leonard's music, what might that be?

So, Young, again I ask, what are you finding here that keeps you posting?

Sh*t.

Just like I have the feeling that you are liking it Marie, by participating only in this thread and the way you are doing it, you who had never did and do in the others, as well as some few others who are playing in sh*t with great delight. Nobody knows the truth, so I don't see the point in trowing insults to each other heads, trying to be the bigger control freak of the pack. This is more sh*t and nothing else.

So.

Playing in sh*t is a pastime like another.

But when you forget that real people are involved in this drama, That one of "these real people" is Leonard Cohen, for whom this forum was created, and when you forget that this kind of event in a life of an individual is not less important than the bombing in London or other pain in the world, or less important than your little games, there I have more difficulty to understand.

[Dem]

Dear Tchocolatl,

I 've noticed that you use the word "shit" very often in your
postings.

Do you happen to be an "anal character' too?

Dem

PS) And why do you write it "Sh*t" ?
what kind of prudery is this?

Shall we analyze it ?

Dem

[Tchocolatl]

Dear Dem,

By using a realistic word, I'm just plainly realistic. However I feel that some crude reality gained to be fl*wered a bit because if I don't mind a little, a lot of it is heavy on me, on the long run.

Shall you anal(pun?)yze me? It could not be less sh*tty than the "analyse" of the case since now. Besides, you are making a good co-entertainer with Greg for the last few posts. So. I may have a few laughters, which may oxygen the thread.

[Dem]

Dear Tchocolatl

I am glad you are having some good laughs in this otherwise "heavy" thread.
That was actually the aim of my last posting
addressed to you.

As Greg (and Leonard) can attest, being an entertainer these days
isn't such an easy task.

Dem