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re: your despair about Leonard Cohen's jock-strap


Lizzy wrote
twenty seven years
works out very well, indeed
reduces to nine

Harry perverted with animal cunning
reduces to nine
dollars in the summer sale
LC's worn jock strap

and you find that worrying? hmmmm, strange because I can't find your response to Geoffrey calling anne a cliché-infested priggish wasp and talking about her brainless tripe and her broomstick. he also told her that thinking is not your forte

lizzytysh wrote:and steal all their men
a woman's world after all
no men to be found

no men to be found
in Lizzy's room after 9
or it costs double

Despair? Worrying? It was a simple assessment of it... not intellectually-driven, G's supposed requirement.

Regarding the rest, it was all in my initial posting until I edited it out and chose to speak in generalities absent each person's name, regarding the all-round onslaught of personal insults. It seems that even halfways reasonable adults could figure it all out. You did; and I didn't mention your name, either. Any haiku offerings that aren't suggestive?

lizzytysh wrote:Despair? Worrying? It was a simple assessment of it... not intellectually-driven, G's supposed requirement.

Regarding the rest, it was all in my initial posting until I edited it out and chose to speak in generalities absent each person's name, regarding the all-round onslaught of personal insults. It seems that even halfways reasonable adults could figure it all out. You did and I didn't mention your name, either.

which name? I have thousands.

You choose.

or it costs double
feather duvets and pillows
another room please

lizzytysh wrote:
>The personal insults and name calling that this thread has descended into is far more offensive than any one of these haikus . . .

I agree. Only after she called me "a sad old goat" (because of a haiku that met not with her approval) were my natural defences coerced into retaliation - hence my calling her "a cliche-infested priggish wasp". A Leonard Cohen fan who advocates putting a dividing wall between decent and indecent does not know his work. An oil painting should never be covered or protected with glass, but should rub against the air. By the way, what is a 'jock strap'? It sounds Scottish, but I am unfamiliar with the term.

lizzytysh wrote:Despair? Worrying? It was a simple assessment of it... not intellectually-driven, G's supposed requirement.

Regarding the rest, it was all in my initial posting until I edited it out and chose to speak in generalities absent each person's name, regarding the all-round onslaught of personal insults. It seems that even halfways reasonable adults could figure it all out. You did; and I didn't mention your name, either. Any haiku offerings that aren't suggestive?

you made repeated mentions of jock-straps but never repeated the insults to anne. great judgement Lizzy.

The insults made by people against people were addressed as a whole... I decided against naming each person and each insult... and went with the sadness of it all as a whole. Though not all that well, I know Geoffrey well enough to know he would get it... and, in fact, that you would get it, and that basically everyone would get it... and that it wouldn't stop at things that Geoffrey said.

The line I chose as representative of the "intellectual" bar that is clearly not met, related to the haikus themselves, about which that point was specifically raised.

I really don't think that my judgement is the prevailing issue here, but you can cite it if you like.

The old, "two wrongs don't make a right" mathematics still holds true, Geoffrey. Especially as someone who has railed morally against a particular poem or two, as well as some comments in general, it's a surprizing thing to see you 'go there' and to such an extreme against Anne. Not everyone's morality is the same and it's a person's right to express their discontent [did you not think so or was that all a ruse, a wind-up?] and to leave.

In the way I'm seeing these haikus, Anne's are the highest in form and content and holding to the original idea of haikus; mine [unlike what Violet kindly said] could rarely be considered quite good... they come somewhere in the middle ground, in either content or form, but nowhere near original haikus; and then there's the let's just make this a game and get dirty if we like ones. For the most part, those personally bore me when they're dirty [but I like the turns of phrase that are humourous, without all the innuendo, but I know there are some who are thrilled by them and think they're brilliant ~ everyone's different]. Mine bore others. Oh well. For me, it's that 'third level' bathroom humour that's boorish; but it was more important to me to focus on Anne's staying and joining with us who choose to go a different route, trying for the real thing or close or just not with all the innuendoes.


~ Lizzy

Geoffrey wrote:- hence my calling her "a cliche-infested priggish wasp".

It was the saying "maybe thinking is not your forté " that caught my attention and thought you were implying that you were being moved by the women, as in "such wonderful feeling creatures." Anyway it did make me start thinking of Anne in a more delicious way and even "cliche-infested priggish wasp" when you get right down to it doesn't sound so bad.

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Too bad I didn't send Geoffrey a picture. The he could have added "fat" and "old" to his string of insults.

anneporter wrote:
>Too bad I didn't send Geoffrey a picture. Then he could have added "fat" and "old" to his string of insults.

That is unfair. I would never have done so. A person's physical attributes play no role in cyber interaction. Any insults squeezed from me relate purely to one's mental or intellectual behaviour. A priggish person, or one with a waspish sting, can be young or old, plump or slim. When I called John K. "the son of a viper" I meant it in exactly the same way as you when you called me a "sad old goat". This has nothing to do with seeing any picture of a person. We are just saying that we don't like a person's attitude, we don't like the way their brains work. The reason you and I are not locked up in mental asylums is because we do not suppress our feelings - we know it's neither healthy nor honest to do so. You have always disliked me, I know that and you know it. I've never done anything to deserve it, it's just the way your mind works. Nothing can change that unless you receive psychological hypnotherapy and go back to where the rot started creeping in.

lizzytysh wrote:or it costs double
feather duvets and pillows
another room please

another room please
An extention to the house
two up and two down

two up and two down
with no winners, no losers
open rooms for all