If someone recycled one of their own poems, I don't see a problem with it...if it is plagarism...that is another story...
Laurie
GRAND PRIZE WINNERS
This was done in FUN. If someone felt they needed to 'cheat' then it falls back on them. It doesn't reflect on the group or the Contest.
No one got paid, ya know?
No real prizes awarded.
No book will be published or headlines printed.
What has "no meaning" is someone coming along after the fact and bitching just to bitch.
Oh, don't listen to me its just this damned flu i've had all week talking...i'm sure you're a sweetheart on a good day.
cheerio,
Laurie
No one got paid, ya know?
No real prizes awarded.
No book will be published or headlines printed.
What has "no meaning" is someone coming along after the fact and bitching just to bitch.
Oh, don't listen to me its just this damned flu i've had all week talking...i'm sure you're a sweetheart on a good day.
cheerio,
Laurie
Hi Laurie ~ 
Interesting and diverse selection you got. Well, the 'Backwards Cohen' person may be "bitching", but I'm afraid they have a point.
#2 was a favourite of mine for the depressing and slightly surreal mood created by the reference to Raskolnikov... it's what made the poem.
Nicely and efficiently done contest, though.
~ Makera
Interesting and diverse selection you got. Well, the 'Backwards Cohen' person may be "bitching", but I'm afraid they have a point.
#2 was a favourite of mine for the depressing and slightly surreal mood created by the reference to Raskolnikov... it's what made the poem.
Nicely and efficiently done contest, though.
~ Makera
Makera-nehoc...anyone else who wants to chastise me for not knowing who this character was....thank you. I think when all is said and done this is what the f *ck should come my of efforts. it should rise to the top start a new thread and a new reason to complain...i'll put it on my gravestone.
Not that is matters, but when the contest started, the first night poems came in from Liz, i was just starting to get sick. I emailed her and asked if she new who this character was. She didn't know, so i said i'd look him up on the internet...i've been quite sick (yeah, you heard that one before) and i have a fucking business meeting tomorrow that will determine if i will continue having the same job i've have for over 25 years or not....so i really concentrating on getting the Very Fun contest over with before then. I never got around to clarifying the character. Fuck me.
thanks,
Laurie
Not that is matters, but when the contest started, the first night poems came in from Liz, i was just starting to get sick. I emailed her and asked if she new who this character was. She didn't know, so i said i'd look him up on the internet...i've been quite sick (yeah, you heard that one before) and i have a fucking business meeting tomorrow that will determine if i will continue having the same job i've have for over 25 years or not....so i really concentrating on getting the Very Fun contest over with before then. I never got around to clarifying the character. Fuck me.
thanks,
Laurie
Laurie,
Sorry to hear about the flu. More importantly I hope everything goes all right today with your job. Ignore everything else. I wish you hadn't felt compelled to rush in the judging. I had suggested to Lizzytysh that this take a week or two. The poem that won was a good one. Ignore the madness.
Sorry to hear about the flu. More importantly I hope everything goes all right today with your job. Ignore everything else. I wish you hadn't felt compelled to rush in the judging. I had suggested to Lizzytysh that this take a week or two. The poem that won was a good one. Ignore the madness.
Dear Laurie ~
I had no idea you were dealing of issues of such magnitude. Not that being sick with the flu in Alaska doesn't hold similar potential; however, the combination of the two is more than sickening. I hope it goes well. Trying to re-orient yourself to ensure income can be difficult, very difficult. Again, I hope it goes well for you at your business meeting.
Yes, Raskolnikov, Laurie did question me as she said. Now, I feel horribly remiss in not having assisted her by Googling the name myself, and getting back with her. My only response was that it sounded like a made-up name to make it more real, as a name that someone might actually have who would be arguing in the street.....perhaps, [though I don't think I said all this] an immigrant[?], who was starting out here with what was immediately and affordably available. It's ironic to me that I was thinking it was to make it more real, whilst someone else appreciated that it gave the poem an air of surrealness. I am not the 'literary' amongst you; however, even for those who are, no one can know every person, every character who's ever been written about. That brings me full-circle right back to wishing I'd Googled the name for Laurie. Sorry, Laurie.
As to all of the winners, this was Laurie's announcement PM to me [after she had dealt with all of the poems from her, knowledgeable perspective]:
! The one I felt truly moved to address was #21.
The reworking of a previous poem by oneself, it seems to me, would still require one's own creativity. It was made very consistent, as to its conclusion, which was very thematically consistent ~ given the creative latitude allowed by the theme.
I know it doesn't help a bit, Laurie, but I've truly found in my life that when 'they' say that everything happens for a reason, it really becomes true in hindsight. A new door cannot be opened unless another one has closed. You cannot reach the other shore unless you leave this one. All those sound like probably-pissing-you-off platitudes, but I really do speak from painful experience when I say them, to you, in all sincerity. My first and strongest wish is that everything goes as you want. Twenty-five years is an incredibly long time. I want only to offer a shred of hope in case it doesn't.
Love,
Lizzy
I had no idea you were dealing of issues of such magnitude. Not that being sick with the flu in Alaska doesn't hold similar potential; however, the combination of the two is more than sickening. I hope it goes well. Trying to re-orient yourself to ensure income can be difficult, very difficult. Again, I hope it goes well for you at your business meeting.
Yes, Raskolnikov, Laurie did question me as she said. Now, I feel horribly remiss in not having assisted her by Googling the name myself, and getting back with her. My only response was that it sounded like a made-up name to make it more real, as a name that someone might actually have who would be arguing in the street.....perhaps, [though I don't think I said all this] an immigrant[?], who was starting out here with what was immediately and affordably available. It's ironic to me that I was thinking it was to make it more real, whilst someone else appreciated that it gave the poem an air of surrealness. I am not the 'literary' amongst you; however, even for those who are, no one can know every person, every character who's ever been written about. That brings me full-circle right back to wishing I'd Googled the name for Laurie. Sorry, Laurie.
As to all of the winners, this was Laurie's announcement PM to me [after she had dealt with all of the poems from her, knowledgeable perspective]:
I don't know about anyone else, but being presented with a list such as this, after serious consideration had been given to all of the poems, by someone taking their role seriously ~ did not make for a list I was wanting to start grappling with"About #15. Yes, it is a swipe, but not direct. I have it at the bottom of the pile...it is mimicking the bad rhyming poetry. I had planned on making a comment as such.
I picked 2 Grand Prize winner's. The approach was so different in each, but so very good in both, i just could not pick one over the other. First Place was a bit difficult. Second and Third not quite so. Other than the Top 2 (i'm dug in) I'd love to hear if you have any input regarding my choices for the other places. I know You know Who submitted what, so you'll need to temporarily erase that brain cell (hahaha) just copy and paste before deleting...
here is my list:
Grand Prize:
8 & 9
First:
1, 11 & 13
Second:
12, 26 & 2
Third:
20, 3 & 4
The rest are Honorable Entrants.
whaddya think?"
! The one I felt truly moved to address was #21.The reworking of a previous poem by oneself, it seems to me, would still require one's own creativity. It was made very consistent, as to its conclusion, which was very thematically consistent ~ given the creative latitude allowed by the theme.
I know it doesn't help a bit, Laurie, but I've truly found in my life that when 'they' say that everything happens for a reason, it really becomes true in hindsight. A new door cannot be opened unless another one has closed. You cannot reach the other shore unless you leave this one. All those sound like probably-pissing-you-off platitudes, but I really do speak from painful experience when I say them, to you, in all sincerity. My first and strongest wish is that everything goes as you want. Twenty-five years is an incredibly long time. I want only to offer a shred of hope in case it doesn't.
Love,
Lizzy
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the vivavynil was not re-cycled at all but written just for this contest and in about 20 minutes and in a spirit of fun. Lizzy pointed out it was untitled and it took almost as long to think of this. it was always heading towards cd/seedy and life as in prison sentence.
my fave. bit was about the centre hole as in records and the bullet.
my fave. bit was about the centre hole as in records and the bullet.
I was remiss in not mentioning, too, that the poem seemed to me to have been written for this contest alone. I just jumped into the defense, regarding the off-chance that it hadn't. I also confirm that this poem lacked a title, and it took its author a while to come up with it [or, at least, a while to get back with me on it]. I never questioned its birthdate.
Yes, too, there was a fair amount of pressure being exerted regarding hasty decision-making on the selections. A thread titled to communicate that even appeared. I agreed that time would be well spent in taking time in the judging. However, I had only the knowledge of Laurie's being ill, and wanting to get well, but not drag it out interminably for those waiting here for her decisions [presumably, to me, she did the final judging the moment she felt better]. However, now I realize that not only did she want it completed, so she could be focused for her meeting; but, also, because ALL of her energies may be required, front-and-center, after her meeting, in order to find and take a new direction in her life ~ Pronto !
Yes, too, there was a fair amount of pressure being exerted regarding hasty decision-making on the selections. A thread titled to communicate that even appeared. I agreed that time would be well spent in taking time in the judging. However, I had only the knowledge of Laurie's being ill, and wanting to get well, but not drag it out interminably for those waiting here for her decisions [presumably, to me, she did the final judging the moment she felt better]. However, now I realize that not only did she want it completed, so she could be focused for her meeting; but, also, because ALL of her energies may be required, front-and-center, after her meeting, in order to find and take a new direction in her life ~ Pronto
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