Along the way... Discovering Leonard's albums

General discussion about Leonard Cohen's songs and albums
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Re: Along the way... Discovering Leonard's albums

Postby its4inthemorning » Fri Apr 05, 2019 10:49 am

Bev,

There is a new post in the Comments section titled "Lyrics or Music First?" It struck me that, with your knowledge and vast archives, you could shed some light on this interesting question. I know some poems were put to music on his earlier albums, but I am not sure which came first for the majority of his songs.

I am missing our discussions here and hoping that a release of some new old songs as promised by Adam will rejuvenate this thread.

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2010 DECEMBER 10 - CAESARS COLOSSEUM, LAS VEGAS / 2012 SEPTEMBER 28 - L'OLYMPIA, PARIS
2012 OCTOBER 3 - PALAU SANT JORDI, BARCELONA / 2012 DECEMBER 13 - K-ROCK CENTRE, KINGSTON
2013 APRIL 6 - RADIO CITY MUSIC HALL, NEW YORK CITY / 2013 JULY 9 - PIAZZA NAPOLEONE, LUCCA
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Re: Along the way... Discovering Leonard's albums

Postby B4real » Sat Apr 06, 2019 7:20 am

Hi 4, Thanks for the vote of confidence but I saw that post and thought there’s no easy answer to that question. I’ll post our words in that relative thread. Leonard has said that he regularly used a blend of music and words – melodies with poetry and vice versa in varying order to obtain the desired result - one informs the other. In most cases, it’s like saying which came first, the chicken or the egg - probably the egg ;-)
But there are no rules here and a particular example springs directly to mind. You may remember on page 18 here on this thread I said that your avatar line/song was actually begun with a melody and the words were finally written about four (in the morning, ha!) years later :)

Yes, bring on the new songs which I know are on the way!
Actually, in this particular instance it’s a fairly safe bet to say the words came first and the music later, but some of them will be melodies only :razz:
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Re: Along the way... Discovering Leonard's albums

Postby AlanM » Sat Jun 01, 2019 4:22 am

I'm not sure if this is the correct place, but ...
HAPPY BIRTHDAY, Bev.

Karin and I hope you have a great day and we are disappointed not to be able to catch up on Hydra.

Thinking of you today and next week.

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Re: Along the way... Discovering Leonard's albums

Postby vlcoats » Sat Jun 01, 2019 7:21 am

Happy Birthday Bev! :D
Alan is right, we will all be thinking of you next week! You will be there with us as far as I am concerned.
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Re: Along the way... Discovering Leonard's albums

Postby its4inthemorning » Sat Jun 01, 2019 3:23 pm

Bev, we have all reached the age when birthdays are no longer special. But let yours be special anyway!

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2010 DECEMBER 10 - CAESARS COLOSSEUM, LAS VEGAS / 2012 SEPTEMBER 28 - L'OLYMPIA, PARIS
2012 OCTOBER 3 - PALAU SANT JORDI, BARCELONA / 2012 DECEMBER 13 - K-ROCK CENTRE, KINGSTON
2013 APRIL 6 - RADIO CITY MUSIC HALL, NEW YORK CITY / 2013 JULY 9 - PIAZZA NAPOLEONE, LUCCA
2017 NOVEMBER 4-8 - MONTREAL "TOWER OF SONG" CELEBRATION - RIP, YOU GOT ME SINGING!
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Re: Along the way... Discovering Leonard's albums

Postby Jean Fournell » Sat Jun 01, 2019 9:34 pm

Agreed, 4.

And then Yin and Yang are inseparable, aren't they as it happens, the contrary applies to the phrase "Many happy returns!"

Many happy returns, Bev!
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Re: Along the way... Discovering Leonard's albums

Postby B4real » Sun Jun 02, 2019 12:56 am

Many thanks to you all! :D

In the grand scheme of things, it's just great to see another birthday no matter the number :)
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Re: Along the way... Discovering Leonard's albums

Postby vlcoats » Sun Jun 02, 2019 1:30 am

B4real wrote:In the grand scheme of things, it's just great to see another birthday no matter the number :)
Bingo! ;-) Celebrate being alive Bev!
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Re: Along the way... Discovering Leonard's albums

Postby anny » Sun Jun 02, 2019 6:02 am

HAPPY BIRTHDAY from me too Bev and many years to come, no matter our age but still glad to be
able to celebrate !!!

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Re: Along the way... Discovering Leonard's albums

Postby B4real » Mon Jun 03, 2019 1:21 am

Absolutely agree anny!
Thank you for your best wishes :D

EDIT: 07 June 2019
I am reminded that 10 years ago today I decided to give myself a slightly belated birthday present by becoming an active member of this forum. For over 3 years before that I was a guest just reading here. I'm so glad to have this endlessly giving and receiving birthday gift!
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Re: Along the way... Discovering Leonard's albums

Postby its4inthemorning » Thu Jun 20, 2019 8:38 am

Perhaps it is time that we consider speculating about the new album that is supposed to be coming out in November (Vickie's post elsewhere on the forum just reminded me of that welcome event). Also, it might be interesting to discuss what unreleased material might exist from past recording sessions and the possibility of it also being released at some point.

Regarding unreleased material, I always like to believe that there are other songs that were completed to an acceptable point that still have not seen the light of day. This belief stems from the bonus track "Store Room," which was included in the re-mastered version of one of the early albums (SOLAH, I believe). I personally do not understand why "Store Room" was never included on any album.

Bev, you are the go-to person when it comes to questions like this, are there any tidbits from your "archives" about unreleased songs from Leonard's recording sessions?

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2010 DECEMBER 10 - CAESARS COLOSSEUM, LAS VEGAS / 2012 SEPTEMBER 28 - L'OLYMPIA, PARIS
2012 OCTOBER 3 - PALAU SANT JORDI, BARCELONA / 2012 DECEMBER 13 - K-ROCK CENTRE, KINGSTON
2013 APRIL 6 - RADIO CITY MUSIC HALL, NEW YORK CITY / 2013 JULY 9 - PIAZZA NAPOLEONE, LUCCA
2017 NOVEMBER 4-8 - MONTREAL "TOWER OF SONG" CELEBRATION - RIP, YOU GOT ME SINGING!

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