Musical Evolution #1, #2, #3, #4, and #5

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Musical Evolution #1, #2, #3, #4, and #5

Postby Hartmut » Mon Jan 07, 2013 11:32 am

Musical Evolution #1: Came So Far for Beauty

„Liebestraum Nr. 3“
1850
(Franz Liszt)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KpOtuoHL45Y

„Came So Far for Beauty“
1979
(Leonard Cohen, John Lissauer)
Leonard Cohen
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RLfZCraw_4c
http://www.leonardcohen.com/de/node/1642
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WWHWYM5BfPM (Jennifer Warnes version, 1987)
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Musical Evolution

Postby Hartmut » Tue Jan 08, 2013 12:10 pm

Musical Evolution #2: Famous Blue Raincoat

„Famous Blue Raincoat“
1971
(Leonard Cohen)
Leonard Cohen
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tAmQgI_Mun4

„When I Need You“
1977
(Albert Hammond, Carole Bayer Sager)
Leo Sayer
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NsMqb9RQWGE

„Little Jeannie“
1980
(Elton John, Gary Osborne)
Elton John
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_UJat_s_M1Q
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z7KGtH40xL4
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Re: Musical Evolution

Postby Vicomte » Tue Jan 08, 2013 9:35 pm

How nice to see Sharon and Jennifer as back up singers on F B C

And how bizarre that Liszt copied Leonards music ;-)
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Re: AW: Musical Evolution

Postby Hartmut » Tue Jan 08, 2013 11:57 pm

Vicomte wrote:And how bizarre that Liszt copied Leonards music ;-)
:-)
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Musical Evolution

Postby Hartmut » Wed Jan 09, 2013 2:14 pm

Musical Evolution #3: The Lost Canadian (Un Canadien errant) / The Faith

„J'ai fait une maîtresse“
(traditional)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kz7-yMrWnsA

„Un Canadien errant“
1842
(traditional, Antoine Gérin-Lajoie)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HVe_ARqqCCU

The Lost Canadian (Un Canadien errant)“
1979
(traditional, Antoine Gérin-Lajoie)
Leonard Cohen
http://www.leonardcohen.com/de/node/1642

The Faith
2004
(traditional, Antoine Gérin-Lajoie, Leonard Cohen)
Leonard Cohen
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZRyF1lRuTmI
http://www.leonardcohen.com/de/node/1628
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Postby Hartmut » Thu Jan 10, 2013 1:41 pm

Musical Evolution #4: The Partisan

„La Complainte du Partisan“
1943
(Anna Marly, Emmanuel d'Astier de la Vigerie)
Anna Marly
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uTMe6-6VSuQ

The Partisan“
1969
(Anna Marly, Emmanuel d'Astier de la Vigerie, Hy Zaret)
Leonard Cohen
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x_223jKXKgQ
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Postby Hartmut » Fri Jan 11, 2013 2:06 pm

Musical Evolution #5: City of New Orleans / Duquesne Whistle

„City of New Orleans“
1953
(Sonny Boy Williamson II, William Lowe)
Sonny Boy Williamson II
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4M-y1A4rrw0

„City of New Orleans“
1971
(Steve Goodman)
Steve Goodman
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eXGFKpWUOW0

„City of New Orleans“
1972
(Steve Goodman)
Arlo Guthrie
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TvMS_ykiLiQ

„′t Is weer voorbij die mooie zomer“
1973
(Steve Goodman, Gerard Cox)
Gerard Cox
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LfgdtjciBbk

„Wann wird’s mal wieder richtig Sommer?“
1975
(Steve Goodman, Thomas Woitkewitsch)
Rudi Carrell
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KzEOvyDcVas

„Duquesne Whistle“
2012
(Bob Dylan)
Bob Dylan
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V2r5C-t4naw
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Re: Musical Evolution #1, #2, #3, #4, and #5

Postby holydove » Sat Feb 09, 2013 10:26 pm

Hartmut, I finally made time to listen to some of the recordings you provided here, & I must thank you for your diligent research - very impressive!!

I found the "evolutions" of Un Canadien Errant most fascinating! J'ai Faite Une Maitresse sounds like traditional Irish music. I wonder if there is a link between Quebecois folk & traditional Irish - if so, I was not aware of this - or if both versions of these songs just happen to have similar musical structure & arrangements? And I love the Havergal Choir arrangement - that is just heavenly!

Listening to The Faith, which I haven't heard in a while, I was reminded again what a gorgeous song this is - a wonderful & fascinating evolution indeed! Interesting that the poster used images from the movie "The Piano" to accompany the song. . .

I love the Liszt connection with Came So Far - very apropos, I'd say!

IMHO, Leonard's evolutions in FBR & The Partisan are far superior to the other versions, & Banjo, while perhaps not necessarily "superior", is definitely the most interesting of the "New Orleans" evolutions.

Thank you again for providing all the fascinating musical metamorphoses!
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Re: Musical Evolution #1, #2, #3, #4, and #5

Postby Tchocolatl » Sun Feb 10, 2013 3:49 am

holydove wrote: (...) J'ai Faite Une Maitresse sounds like traditional Irish music. I wonder if there is a link between Quebecois folk & traditional Irish (...)
bullseye, Holydove!

(My, you shall score at dartboard - which I liked to play before my insurance wants to stop covering me or double the premium).

There were a lot of Irish people in Québec and their music had an influence.

Mary Travers, known under her husband's name Madame Bolduc or La Bolduc was the first folk singer song writer star in Québec. She was from Gaspésie born to an Irish father and a French Canadian mother.

One think always leading me to another, I just noticed that La Bolduc, on the picture below, looks a lot like the new sensation Lisa LeBlanc from Acadie (she does trash folk, according to her, and listener beware if you are sensitive to trash folk) singer-song-writer here. Not only in the feature but also in the style :


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D0v0X7Jrmh4


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I'm sorry Hartmut, for opening and a closing this short parenthese in your subject. How interesting to focus on the music besides the lyrics!! :D
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Re: AW: Musical Evolution #1, #2, #3, #4, and #5

Postby Hartmut » Sun Feb 10, 2013 7:00 am

Thank you, holydove and Tchocolatl, for not only taking the time to listen, but also to comment!

> Listening to The Faith, which I haven't heard in a while, I was reminded again what a gorgeous song this is

Oh, yes. I didn't realize that for quite some time; I thought it was just an ok song, maybe a it boring, but boy was I wrong!
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Re: Musical Evolution #1, #2, #3, #4, and #5

Postby holydove » Sun Feb 10, 2013 11:52 pm

Tchocolatl wrote:


There were a lot of Irish people in Québec and their music had an influence.

Mary Travers, known under her husband's name Madame Bolduc or La Bolduc was the first folk singer song writer star in Québec. She was from Gaspésie born to an Irish father and a French Canadian mother.

One think always leading me to another, I just noticed that La Bolduc, on the picture below, looks a lot like the new sensation Lisa LeBlanc from Acadie (she does trash folk, according to her, and listener beware if you are sensitive to trash folk) singer-song-writer here. Not only in the feature but also in the style :
Tchoc, thank you for the info about Irish people in Quebec - I wondered if perhaps that was the case.

And yes, judging from the photo you posted, Lisa Le Blanc does bear a resemblance to La Bolduc; I never heard La Bolduc, so I can't comment on their styles, but I would echo your warning of "listener beware" for your youtube link - I tried, but couldn't listen to the whole thing. . . :)

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