What L.C thing pisses you off

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Post by linda_lakeside » Sun Nov 14, 2004 5:04 pm

That last message of mine was for Tom Sakic who is way back on page 1 or something - maybe someone here can enlighten me. I had never heard of Sharon before Leonard. What exactly is it that she has written? I know she co-wrote a few. I know that on 10 NS Leonard says somewhere that she wrote and produced everything but that is not true. Many of those songs were written on Mt. Baldy (I believe). 'By the River Dark' is part of 'A Thousand Kisses Deep' as Leonard explained in the Blackening Pages. A Thousand Kisses Deep has verses from several songs. So what is it that Sharon has written? I'm the odd one out here as I think her alto voice was perfect accompaniment for Leonard's fading singing voice. Does anyone know what she has accomplished without Leonard?
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Post by jeannieb » Wed Nov 17, 2004 6:16 am

I love Sharon Robinson's voice and thoroughly enjoy her collaboration with Leonard. Leonard's changing styles has kept him fresh for me.

I suppose I am off-topic, heh? :wink:

Lizzy, why on EARTH did you ever leave that husband???

Well, actually, my first was also a talented musician, and I am on my third now, so I am the proverbial pot.....
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Post by tomsakic » Wed Nov 17, 2004 1:17 pm

Linda, I needed to read the complete thread because it's actually more than half year old! Yes, I know who wrote Be For Real, and I think it's great when LC performs it.

http://www.sharonrobinson.net for Sharon!

She has many songs, but nothing so famous as her colaborations with Leonard. She won Grammy for the song she wrote for Beverly Hills Cop soundtrack in 1985.

Her collaboration with Leonard: they co-wrote three songs together before Ten New Songs - Summertime, Waiting For The Miracle, and Everybody Knows (in that order). She's co-author of complete TNS album and now of There For You and The Letters on Dear Heather.
Leonard writes all the lyrics, and then Sharon makes the structure of the songs (decides which lines are refrains, organized Leonard's lines in verses). Setting to music goes in both direction, she shows him various ideas for the song and then they move further with one, of few of them.

Soon about that in the excellent interview with Sharon which is about to be published later this week.
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Post by lizzytysh » Wed Nov 17, 2004 4:50 pm

:wink: Many underlying issues challenging resolve, Jeannie. Many years have been spent actively and passively working on them [by both of us].

In fact, he left me. Devastated at the time [age 25], I'm grateful for it now. We'd have destroyed each other. I'd have never found out who I am [not on the basis of that air-y, "I need to f-i-i-i-i-i-nd myself," but in truth the way it had to be].

We're still friends, and spend time together. I'll probably be seeing him on Thanksgiving. Him being the most serious of any/all relationships, he remains the one most like 'family' to me.

In his absence, the music has a strong bittersweetness. Even in his presence, it sometimes still does. We were 'meant' to come together, and we did. Remaining together, lifelong, well.....another story with a different ending. I've never lost the love, respect, and admiration I originally had for him. To me, that's worth a lifetime. Never called him names; you know, the ones you hear with people when speaking of their "X"s ~ don't even call him my "ex," but rather my "former" ~ I believe I/we worked off [and still are] some karma in our union, and the patterns of our relationship since. Neither of us went on to a marital 'second.' He's always remained very much a part of my life and my psyche. Yours may have been the healthier route :wink: .

Now, what were we talking about :lol: ?

~ Lizzy
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Post by lizzytysh » Wed Nov 17, 2004 4:52 pm

Tom ~

I really look forward to reading Sharon's interview. It's interesting to read those with the women who surround Leonard. They're always so tangible by comparison.

~ Lizzy
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Post by jeannieb » Thu Nov 18, 2004 6:39 am

Liz, you are so brave and honest.

My own former is gone on to the next world. I think of him often and believe we belonged to each other, and perhaps screwed it up. Sometimes it occurs to me that what it would have taken to keep it together would have destroyed us individually.
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Post by linda_lakeside » Thu Nov 18, 2004 6:34 pm

I know that I don't really have any part in this conversation which sounds rather personal. However, I just wanted to comment that it seems, at times, that we must pay sometime, in some way, to have experienced the ecstatic 'rush' of being in love. It's been said that 'love hurts' but it's usually worth it as there is nothing like being over the moon in love!
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Post by lizzytysh » Thu Nov 18, 2004 10:08 pm

Hi Linda ~

Personal, but not exclusive. And certainly not private :wink: . Feel free to jump in. I still feel that ecstatic rush, at times, with him. Would I if we'd remained together? Who knows? I'd like to think, yes......as nothing has ever made a dent in it. No matter how our separate lives may end, I'll always be grateful for the time we had together. When I brought my woman friend to meet him a couple weekends ago, I was amazed after we left to hear that the first thing he did when they were alone was to describe to her the exact moment of our first meeting, like a laser beam when our eyes first met and an illumination around me. I was 12 and he was 11. She said it just came right out of nowhere. I might conjecture some ideas as to why he did that with her, but I can't honestly say that I know. It may have related to prior references to the metaphysical [though I can't recall, whether we had gone that direction yet, at that juncture]. I know I was stunned in hearing that he had.

Hi Jeannie ~

Thanks. ". . . and believe we belonged to each other, and perhaps screwed it up. Sometimes it occurs to me that what it would have taken to keep it together would have destroyed us individually." This is exactly the same with me. All of it. I can't regret the way that it went. In those years of our youth, there was so much neither of us knew. Even though he was the one to leave and initiate the final break-up, I accept a goodly share of the responsibility for that. We must remember that there are two sides to every story :( . Our pattern of reconciliations and attempts, in the years since, however, speaks to more than our having parted. The will; the ego; the pride; the pain; the day-to-day differences in beliefs ~ who knows. They all played a part. I'm sorry to hear that your true love is truly gone. I dread that day with mine.

"One of Us Cannot Be Wrong" was a song that we regularly sang together during our reconciliations, and it was obvious, as we did, that we felt its bittersweet truths. "Suzanne" was also in very strong presence with us.

~ Lizzy
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Post by jeannieb » Sun Nov 21, 2004 3:22 am

Alas, Brent and I never shared the love of Cohen. I think I kept him to myself!
We made some attempts at reconcilliation, but we were both so unformed, and individually struggled with various addictions. In the end I think one of his killed him. He re-married to a woman very unlike me, much to the dismay of many of his friends. He died before he was 30, ridinghis motorcycle. I think, now that I have some medical background, that he had an aneurysm. He had been drinking all afternoon at a bar. Such a waste of talent and heart.

So many friends have gone before me. I hope we truly do see them again, in wiser circumstances, in another life.
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Post by lizzytysh » Mon Nov 22, 2004 5:15 am

So young for Brent :cry: , Jeannie. "Such a waste of talent and heart." You sound as though you have managed to somehow get his life and loss of it into a perspective that works for you. That's good. Yes, seeing our lost ones again. How I also hope for that.
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