A short history of "Hallelujah" - lyrics, versions, oddities

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Re: A short history of "Hallelujah" - lyrics, versions, oddities

Postby siouxsie » Wed Sep 09, 2009 11:15 am

I always thought "the baffled king" referred to King Saul, to whom David was a musician when he was younger. David played the "secret chord" to Saul, the baffled king.

David of course became King later on, replacing Saul!
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Re: A short history of "Hallelujah" - lyrics, versions, oddities

Postby Actaion » Wed Nov 11, 2009 7:47 pm

Hi,

I got a simple question concerning the line:

"All I ever learned from love, is how to shoot at someone who outdrew you"

What does "outdrew" mean here?
I'm not a native speaker, I looked up the word, but I can't make sense of it. Does it mean something like "to pull out"? But out of what then? What can be meant?
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Re: A short history of "Hallelujah" - lyrics, versions, oddities

Postby sirp2000 » Tue Nov 17, 2009 8:30 pm

Actaion wrote:Hi,

I got a simple question concerning the line:

"All I ever learned from love, is how to shoot at someone who outdrew you"

What does "outdrew" mean here?
I'm not a native speaker, I looked up the word, but I can't make sense of it. Does it mean something like "to pull out"? But out of what then? What can be meant?
Hi Actaion

The word "outdrew" is often used in the context of a gunfight between cowboys in western films: it means drawing one's gun out of the holster and firing it before one's opponent can do the same. Hope this helps!
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Re: A short history of "Hallelujah" - lyrics, versions, oddities

Postby maxdiamond » Mon Dec 14, 2009 8:41 am

Thank you for this thread.

I am interested in locating as many verses to this song, published or unpublished, as possible. i have been told there are 15 published verses and that Leonard claims to have written over 80. Is there a place where at least all the published ones have been collected?

Thanks.
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Re: A short history of "Hallelujah" - lyrics, versions, oddities

Postby sebmelmoth2003 » Tue Dec 29, 2009 12:46 pm

the pook radio programme mentioned earlier made radio 4's pick of the year - first item in show - audio online until this weekend.

show hosted by rob brydon

http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b00pd69k
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Re: A short history of "Hallelujah" - lyrics, versions, oddities

Postby IMM » Wed Feb 17, 2010 2:12 am

As in most good poetry, there is room for interpretation, and layers of meaning, but, perhaps there is no reference to Samson?
The line
She broke your throne, and she cut your hair
'may' be a reference to one (or more) of the "long-haired kings" of the Davidic line.
Just a thought from someone who's been described as looking baffled. Image

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Rameses II and Moses aren't likely concurrent -- see David Rohl
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Re: A short history of "Hallelujah" - lyrics, versions, oddities

Postby Vicomte » Wed Feb 17, 2010 5:59 pm

And as an aside, at 15h55 (French Time)today, Steve Wright played Hallelujah on BBC Radio 2 to celebrate LC being inducted in to the Song writers Hall of Fame in New York on 17 June this year.
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Re: A short history of "Hallelujah" - lyrics, versions, oddities

Postby IMM » Fri Feb 19, 2010 9:35 am

sirp2000 wrote: The word "outdrew" is often used in the context of a gunfight between cowboys in western films: it means drawing one's gun out of the holster and firing it before one's opponent can do the same. Hope this helps!
What's the man in the white hat to do?
When I was younger(early 60's), there was a community center that showed old (older than me) grade B western movies, usually in black and white. One thing was consistent in them -- the one wearing the black hat always drew his weapon first. It presents an age old problem for the 'good guy'.

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