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Post by Makera » Sat Nov 15, 2003 3:17 pm

Rachel wrote:Alright Makera, I'll reformulate my confusing words relating to my decision, or not, of calling myself agnostic:
After making some forays into questions relating to the nature of theism, what I read (mostly Kant, Descartes and Leibniz I admit) I reached the conclusion that, whilst arguments for theism are coherent, they are not convincing. Therefore, I decided the term 'agnostic' was applicable to me. This was all preceded by some study of Hinduism and Buddhism, both of which I also found to be fully coherent as systems of belief. For me, this undermined the notion of 'one truth'. So I both decided and didn't decide.
And don't be such an Erbsenzaehler! (pea-counter in German)
Thank you, Rachel, :D . That's why I query and prod - for clarity :wink: . Now I understand you perfectly. Ooh, I love the new word too, "Erbsenzaehler", a 'pea-counter' eh? Is that just German for pedant? That's 8) , I'm happy if I can learn at least one new thing a day, that's a good one.

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Post by Mark B. » Sat Nov 15, 2003 3:37 pm

Perhaps, we should all stay away from exploring the deep and profound meanings of life and instead concentrate all of our energies on whether or not Leonard should have a face-lift. what say?
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Post by Makera » Sat Nov 15, 2003 4:12 pm

Mark B. ~ :lol: :lol:
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Post by margaret » Sat Nov 15, 2003 4:43 pm

Hi Ves,

"nauseating peace"? :shock: Good grief, that's a very colourful,even sinister interpetation. I thought it was a more colloquial meaning - just being "sick of" or fed up with a rambling discussion which had maybe run its course.

I hope there will not now be a dissection of my use of "fed" and its association with eating. :roll:

I prefer to keep out of these lengthy discussions for this very reason; so often words and their meanings are taken a different way than was intended by a writer. I've been guilty of this myself, :oops: sometimes and been jumped on.

As another without the benefit of higher education, and the economic need to work, I don't have much time to spare to research lengthy sources on the internet or elsewhere to back up my opinion so I now prefer to take a back seat.
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Post by lizzytysh » Sat Nov 15, 2003 5:28 pm

Dear Helven/Tanya ~

I very much appreciated your bringing all the information you did here. I didn't find it at all boring, but rather informative, and instructive as to just how complex the study of Buddhism really is. JM asked a question and you gave him a substantive and entirely appropriate response. If such a situation occurs again, where you are able to do so, I hope you won't hesitate. As Margaret noted, many of us don't have time [or are not inclined] to do the research, but when someone brings it to me in such cogent form, I appreciate it. I suspect JM did, too.

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Elizabeth
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Post by Byron » Sat Nov 15, 2003 9:47 pm

If I respond to 'someone,' I'll be damned.
If I don't respond I'll be damned.
So I won't do either. :|
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face lift?

Post by Sandra » Sat Nov 15, 2003 10:01 pm

I think people that face lift definetely lose an important part of their personality.
tha marks age has left on our face are marks that give a map of our past and the way we have lived...well that is my opinion...
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Post by Byron » Sat Nov 15, 2003 10:13 pm

I respond to Helven. However, in the way she did it, without arrogance, or presumption of others' ignorance, it came across totally differently to me. I respond to Helven affirmatively, and to let her know that I appreciate her bringing merely information to the discussion, in response to a direct question, without any implied value judgements of knowing more than others....simply helpful information for the taking. Thank you.
(you know who you are :wink: )
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Post by Vesuvius » Sat Nov 15, 2003 10:26 pm

Ciao Margaret,

I agree. pax nauseum/neauseating peace does have a sinister meaning. We must ask Byron for illumenation!

Byron, What did you mean?

Vesuvius
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Post by Byron » Sat Nov 15, 2003 11:12 pm

There is no spoon
There is no posting
There is no peace
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Post by Helven » Sun Nov 16, 2003 12:46 am

Dear Elizabeth, dear Byron,

Thank you! I just thought I really overdid a bit – question was put by one person but everyone had to encounter that terrible list :shock: (little hair-raiser :lol: ).

Yours,
TH
I've finally found myself! But that turned out to be a completely different person.
/contemporary saying/
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Post by lizzytysh » Sun Nov 16, 2003 12:54 am

I gained some real insight into Buddhism through your list, Helven. Thank you.

Many intricacies revealed through it, that emerge into view via the list itself.

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Post by Makera » Sun Nov 16, 2003 8:21 am

Lizzy~
Absolutely! I personally find Helven/Tat'jana a wonderfully balanced person, and gain inspiration and confidence from her lovely example. She does not prejudge another's motives, or presume intent - without real knowledge or evidence. :idea:

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Post by Helven » Sun Nov 16, 2003 7:53 pm

Thank you, Makera/Gennelle! It’s good that I still have some negative features of character – otherwise, I’d become too proud. :wink:

Yours,
TH
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Post by songster » Wed Nov 19, 2003 4:06 pm

Kush,

Thanks for the links. This weekend I'm going to try my public library for Kaku's Hyperspace. I would love to see "Brilliant Minds: Secrets of the Cosmos" but I can't get Discovery's Science Channel from my cable company. I of the Vortex looks a little intimidating to me. Maybe later. I have Hawking's A Brief History of Time, but am ashamed to admit it's been gathering dust. It is now on my list for December. Thanks.
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