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LC Art goes from Manchester to London

Post by jarkko » Sat Aug 18, 2007 11:57 am

Richard Goodall has this morning sent us the following information:
The exhibition finishes today here in Manchester, but I will be showing it in Chelsea,London at Art London from 4th-8th October.
http://www.artlondon.net
What a pity that it is in the beginning of October - two weeks later many of us will be in London!
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Post by Joney » Sat Aug 18, 2007 3:47 pm

Yay hey, great news.
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Post by liverpoolken » Sat Aug 18, 2007 11:10 pm

Joney wrote:Yay hey, great news.
Joney

Don't get too excited you haven't seen the prices yet.


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Post by Joney » Sat Aug 18, 2007 11:47 pm

I don't have to buy anything do I? I can just browse.
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Post by liverpoolken » Sun Aug 19, 2007 2:14 am

Joney wrote:I don't have to buy anything do I? I can just browse.
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Of course you don't have to buy any of the criminally overpriced doodles.

I just hope that you don't leave the exhibiton like I did thinking less of LC than when you went in.

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Post by Red Poppy » Sun Aug 19, 2007 12:25 pm

Damellon, did you get your print yet?

Ken, that's an interesting observation that I'd love to hear more about. The fact that you thought less of Leonard coming out than going in (sounds like a dissatisfied customer leaving a brothel :lol: )

Would you mind expanding on the subject, please.

It might start a robust discussion.

The one on the poetry section seems to be winding down :shock:

Actually, I would like to hear more of this.

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Post by damellon » Sun Aug 19, 2007 3:53 pm

No, Red Poppy, no sign of my 'criminally overpriced doodle'. Looks like I've just gone even further down in Ken's estimation. :(
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Post by Joney » Sun Aug 19, 2007 4:17 pm

Ken it's sad that LC went down in your estimation.

Is this because the prices were very high? I don't really care if he charges £1m per painting. I don't have to buy them. Good luck to him if he can get it. It's his music that I like.

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Post by liverpoolken » Sun Aug 19, 2007 4:59 pm

Red Poppy

From one old shit stirrer to another you asked so I shall tell of my visit to the Richard Goodall gallery.
I know I will get crucified for this post especially by all the sucker fish fans that attended the exhibition opening, but it’s written from the heart.

I was in Manchester for a matinee at the Royal Exchange theatre so I travelled on an earlier train than usual to give myself enough time to visit the gallery before I went to see the play

The gallery was empty on my visit except for a guy in a wheelchair who was having a rather heated conversation with the lady behind the reception desk.

From what I could make out he was enquiring whether it was possible to buy unsigned prints because he thought the prices were far too high for the signed limited editions that were hanging up on the wall.

Although it was obvious that the guy understood the concept of signed limited editions the lady in question seemed to have taken umbrage at the very idea of selling cheaper unsigned prints and was being very rude and patronising towards her potential customer. This conversation carried on throughout the whole of my visit to the gallery.

Not exactly the ideal atmosphere for strolling around an art exhibition.

Anyways after I had looked around and had a look at the prints and prices I had to agree with the guy in the wheelchair in that the prices were ‘silly prices’ as he called them. I didn’t join in the conversation but instead made a hasty retreat outside into the warm Manchester rain. I’ve since wondered if that same guy hangs around the forum. If so where are you? I’m going to need a lot of support after this post.

£925 pounds for an unframed print of a page from LC’s notebook is an absolute disgrace and for another mere £75 you could have the tiny 12x15 print framed. Hey ho.

£1550 for 20x30 print and an extra for £150 framing

£3300 for a 40x30 print and extra £225 for framing.

I've done a bit of framing in my time and the framing costs alone need investigating by the Manchester City Weights and Measures Department.


In my two-wasted-years-at-Laird-School-Of-Art-being-taught-by-Sir-Robert Hoodless-humble-opinion the prints themselves have very little artistic merit and putting such prices on them is an act of greed beyond belief.
However everybody has the right to hang on their wall whatever they want and pay whatever they like for the prvilige.

I’m in the fortunate position were I could have bought a number of the prints if I had been foolish enough to part with my hard earned pension money.
Being a fan I would have loved to have walked out of the gallery that afternoon having ordered a couple of the prints, and was fully expecting to have done just that until I saw the asking prices.
I can’t believe that anybody who is not a fan would be interested in any of these prints. Surely LC knew this, so why thank us fans for all our years of support with these exorbitant prices?
I’ve been a fan of LC coming up to 40 years next year and of all the artists that I have respect for he is the last one I would have expected to go down this greedy celebrity art route.

After the gallery visit I made my way over to the Royal Exchange theatre and before the play I had a quick look into their gallery. On display they had a number of framed, signed and numbered silkscreen prints of Sir Peter Blake’s beautiful collages most at half the price that Richard Goodall was asking for his LC prints and certainly none anywhere near LC’s top price.

If LC and the Goodalls are asking more for his work than one of the world’s greatest living artists is asking for his then good luck to them, but count me out. I shall just stick to the words and music.

Doesn't anybody else long for the days when you didn't have a clue as to what Leonard was up to, nor where he was doing it, rather than watching him being dragged around the world looking absolutely knackered trying to resurrect the singing career of you know who. Now there’s a bit of blasphemy for you.

For all you celebrity art fans out there Mr Dylan has a exhibition of his work opening in October in Germany.
I’ve seen some of Bob’s paintings up close and I can assure they deserve to be in a gallery. However up to now he’s not ‘doing a Leonard’ with his work, but with Bob you never know.

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BERLIN (AFP) - The three-month show called "The Drawn Blank Series" will begin October 28 and feature more than 200 paintings based on drawings and sketches Dylan published in a book titled "Drawn Blank" in 1994.
The new paintings will hang among works by European masters including Picasso, Munch and Toulouse-Lautrec, Anja Richter of the museum told AFP.
The director of the Chemnitz museum, Ingrid Moessinger, said Dylan, 66, had committed himself to the visual arts for four decades alongside his songwriting.
She said the new works were in watercolour and gouache and were notable for their splashes of vibrant colour.
"I first came across Bob Dylan's book of drawings at an historical exhibition about Bob Dylan at The Morgan Library and Museum in New York," Moessinger said.
"I went straight out and bought my own copy and immediately began to track down the originals."
Dylan said Moessinger's enthusiasm had inspired him to prepare an exhibition.
"It gave me the impetus to realise the vision I had for these drawings many years ago," he said in a statement released by Columbia Records.
Known as Karl Marx Stadt under the East German regime, Chemnitz was converted into a socialist model city with prefabricated concrete housing blocks replacing most of the buildings destroyed in the war.
The Chemnitz Art Collections is housed in one of the city's few remaining grand old pre-war buildings.


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Post by Paula » Sun Aug 19, 2007 7:07 pm

Aww Ken I was sad to read your words. Beauty is in the eye of the beholder as they say. I am not a great fan of art but if I had the money I would have bought one. I don't know how the money is divided between the Gallery and Leonard but I do know noone is holding a gun to your head to buy.
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Post by Laura » Sun Aug 19, 2007 7:13 pm

Paula, but would you buy one for the said beauty or because they are Leonard?
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Post by Paula » Sun Aug 19, 2007 7:18 pm

Without a doubt Laura because they are Leonard. I don't have an artistic eye I can't stand in front of paintings enthralled discussing brushstrokes and content but in the same way I used to put my kids pictures on the wall because I loved the person behind the painting that is why I would buy one if I could.
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Post by lizzytysh » Sun Aug 19, 2007 8:03 pm

Hi Ken ~

I'm sorry, too, to see that your observation of the verbal exchange in the Gallery and your noting of the prices of Leonard's artwork [whose market is absolutely that of willing buyers and which he notably suggests does not belong alongside that of the great artists of the world] would, at the end of the day, result in a lowering of your opinion of Leonard. It seems a very harsh reaction.

At one point here, a number of us were asking, "What can we do to help? Is it possible to start a fund?" That Leonard has opted to accept suggestions and initiate actions, all based on his own efforts, so as to address his own needs, is nothing less than admirable.

For me, buying the three posters available... all of which were of pieces I liked very much [and I wish the green chair had also been available, as I'd have bought it as well; along with others, had they been]... and the two catalogs, which gave me a visual to keep and share of everything exhibited... was fine with me. Between the pristine art, matting, and his symbols, along with his signature, I'd have gladly bought one of larger pieces, were they affordable for me. Leonard's [rather involuntary] art endeavour gives the buyer something lasting for the money he receives as a result. This is not the case in the paragraph that follows.

It also prompts me to wonder [since I can't remember :? what your comments on it were at the time] what your opinion of Bob is now, since his Victoria's Secret ads, considered by at least some to be exploitive of women. They clearly were intended to earn money... and likely earned him a fair amount of it. All he needed to do was basically show up. Whatever he was paid for doing the ad was his alone. The cost of the paintings needs to cover the cost of printing the art, Leonard's compensation, and compensation for support of the Gallery, as well. Yet, Leonard's own drawings, paintings, and computer art... drawn or created out of his own mind, by his own hand... resulted in your lowered opinion of him as a man, due to the matter of their assigned price.


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Post by Alan Alda » Sun Aug 19, 2007 8:39 pm

Ken~

Thanks for your honest opinion, which is nothing less than an act of bravery.

There was a taint of 'elitism' that seemed to permeate from those prices that caused this fan to shake her head in disappointment and dismay.

Since the reasons I am sure are far more complex than what I can decipher, I did not lower my opinion of LC. 'Disappointment' is the word that most describes my stance. I do understand why you now feel the way you do though.

Thanks again for being honest.

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Post by Henning » Sun Aug 19, 2007 9:48 pm

Business works on supply and demand. I am sure it is Goddals job to sell paintings. If they don't sell the artwork they still can lower prices or swallow the pieces. I saw the paintings in the catalogue, some I like very much, some I think are funny. I have seen them, I don't need to possess them. I really love Leonard, but I don't need to have his paintings. I am sure he wouldn't buy my paintings neither. We are in a balance on that. Leonard wouldn't buy my music neither but I have to buy his. It's affordable and makes a good impact on my shelf. I call for a re-release of the vinyls. 180 g please.
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