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Post by ~greg » Thu Mar 15, 2007 4:45 pm

Tom,
you were right.
I should have watched more than just the first minute.

So here now are my impressions and conclusions
about the last minute of the movie.

( The "ah so!"s here - are were I suddenly got the meaning
of some obscure things from the first minute, that only
make sense in the last minute. )

(note: I still don't know what trailer Judith was talking about.
I saw one trailer, but it was just random clips from the movie,
and no "skimp-o-scamp top-heavy 'Burlesque Beauty' strutting her stuff."
That person can't be the same as the waitress who appears briefly
at the end of the movie, because the waitress is not gratuitous.
She has a meaningful role in the context. )


(note: the whole of this last part of the movie is for one end,
to explain why Cohen sings Tower of Song in the movie.
Cohen, like Arujna, does not want to engage in this inevitable
battle. But the "expressions of the Deity" of the moment
-- namely Bono, Julie, the waitress, and the drinks,
- like Krishna, in effect, - get him to do it.
Bono - because it's his favorite song.
Julie, - reminds Cohen that he is supposed
to see the bright side of these things.
And the waitress - she's the Saaqi.
So Cohen embraces his destiny, his fate.
He stands up and does his duty.
He sings "Tower of Song".)



~~~


Cohen: >
"There's a beautiful moment in the Bhagavad-Gita:
Arujna ...the general, ...the great general, ....
he's standing in his chariot, ....all the chariots are arrayed for war,
...and across the boundary he sees his opponents,
- and there he sees, - not only uncles and aunts and cousins,
-he sees gurus, -he sees teachers, that have taught him,
(and you know how the Indians revere that relationship,)
-he sees them!
And Krishna ...one of the expressions of the Deity
...says to him: "You'll never untangle the circumstance
that brought you to this moment. You're a warrior. Arise now,
mighty warrior. With the full understanding that they've
already been killed. And so have you. This is just a play.
This is my will. You are caught up in the circumstance
that I determine for you, that you did not determine
for yourself. So arise. You are a noble warrior.
Embrace your destiny, your fate,
and stand up and do your duty. "


Bono: > "That rumble!... you know that voice that seems to come from
... you know ...the subway...


< Ah so! - So that's what that horrible noise
all through the movie was about!
It's the way Leonard Cohen sounds in Bono's ears!
(--Rock stars often do suffer from tinnitus! ) >


Bono: > "I thought he was sexy ...soul singer..."

< The waitress appears here.
Appropriately! >

Julie Christensen: > "He finds the light in things.
Like in Anthem, ... "there's a crack in everything "

Bono: > "My favorite of the songs is "Tower Of Song".
I think maybe because I feel like I've been there myself sometimes.
But it's really a masterpiece, that song."

Cohen: > "I should really have continued performing,
so that the songs themselves could develop.
But maybe if I ever go on the road again,...
... it's not a bad idea!
It's becoming more and more attractive to me as we,
...as we drink!" < Laughs >


<Ah so!
So that's what the dame is about. She is the waitress
who brings the afore mentioned drinks.
She is the inspiration.
She (and what she brings) are what drive Cohen
to get up and sing Tower Of Song.
The Persian word saqi (sometimes transliterated as saqi,
saaqi, or saki) literally means 'cup-bearer' or 'wine-pourer'
and is frequently used in Persian poetry to describe the
glorious Server who continually pours out the wine
everlasting to all of humanity.
< If not for my suddenly realizing this,
then I would most probably have thought
(looking for Judith's 'Burlesque Beauty' )
that the dame was an echo of Lenny Bruce's burlesque queen,
Honey Harlow. Hal Wilner getting his wires crossed.
You see, Lenny Cohen used to look a lot like Lenny Bruce
(sort of. ...well, remotely anyway.) And Hal Wilner
did a Lenny Bruce thing a while back: "Let The Buyer Beware".
Tom Waits said this about it: "Awesome
in its scope and depth. Hal Wilner compiled
this from thousands of feet of tape. It is the road
that all comics of today are driving on." >


Followed by Cohen singing: "Tower Of Song".

< Ah so!
The floating red lights (- the jelly fish tentacles) theme
all though the movie, - were these curtains behind the stage
in this Cohen performance finale!

And that Madonna-and-grapes carving
- is what's over the proscenium!

So, ---these were always internal trailers,
advertising the good thing to come,
and keeping us tuned in!
(except they wouldn't have worked if we knew
it in the begining. we would have fast-forwarded,
or waited in the lobby untill the end.)



Life has meaning again! >
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Post by Bobbie » Thu Mar 15, 2007 4:57 pm

I think seeing the actual live show, and then the film, have quite a lot to do with each other. I feel reasonably sure that if I hadn't seen the first Wilner tribute in Brooklyn, which was fabulous, that I would have rated the film in a completely different manner, and I think I would have been somewhat disappointed, and certainly more critical, as I very seldom like any LC covers. You are absolutely right, Diane, and you hit the nail right on the head when you wrote that the difference in seeing these artists perform live, experiencing the actual energy, atmosphere, interactions, and the camaraderie amongst the performers, was an entirely different experience. It was the exact thing I intended writing about when I came back to answer John's question, but you said it so well that I don't have to. In comparison, the film comes off as bland and disjointed in places, and when I saw certain performers, I thought.... "but that's not how it really was".... taking some sort of comfort in knowing that the energy really had existed. The film was fine, I liked and enjoyed it, but I didn't love it, not the way I thought I would. The best part about the entire thing was driving past the theater now and then during the two weeks it played at a multiplex here, and seeing the words LEONARD COHEN up on the marquee in very large black letters. Now, to me, that was really something to crow about. We went to a Saturday matinee, and when we entered the theater, there were 2 other people seated. We sat nearby to them, and they remarked... "we thought we'd be the only ones here", to which I replied... "we thought we would be, too." Eventually, others trickled in, and finally we had a huge crowd - HUGE, I tell you! ... roughly less than two dozen... heheh. The "crowd" (all older people) seemed to like it, laughing at the appropriate places, sighing at others, and no one seemed to care much about the individual performances, caring mostly that here they were, attending a film in a big theater, about Leonard Cohen, when all along they thought they'd been his only fan all their lives. Like me, and the rest of us here, they responded to some performances more than others. (I was quite disappointed, though, that there was no "Bird" in the film.. to me, that was a glaring omission.)

Anyway, to those of you who wanted to know what difference it makes, that's why I asked the question - all the while knowing that they are two separate entities, and can't possibly be rated in the same way. Still, if you'd seen the live show, you might look at the film a little differently.

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Post by lizzytysh » Thu Mar 15, 2007 5:17 pm

Not having seen any of the Live shows, but having seen them Live and plenty of footage of them, the really glaring omissions for me were Julie and Perla... two absolutely reliable performers for giving stellar performances every time... and two who are joined-at-the-hip with Leonard, in terms of his musical history... anyone not knowing them would have loved their performances. They're just too excellent for it to be otherwise. Their "Anthem" is incomparable. For them to have sung their hearts out, as they always have with Leonard's songs, and have the screen come up blank, as though they were never there, anywhere, at the concerts or in Leonard's life... both glaring and sad.

Having seen Laurie Anderson in person, as well, I can but imagine how her performance was... though, even as I say that, I don't recall whether she was in Sydney. There are other omissions, which ought not to have been made, from my perspective, yet were... however, Julie and Perla are the two, most immediately outstanding of them.

I'll find some time at some point to give a few impressions of my own.

Greg ~ :lol: You ought to watch more films and write more reviews :lol: . Life would make much more sense for all of us, somehow :wink: .


~ Lizzy
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Post by BoHo » Fri Mar 16, 2007 12:12 am

~greg wrote:I still don't know what trailer Judith was talking about.
The link in the review goes to another page on the JarkkoSite:

http://www.leonardcohenfiles.com/lian.html/

But, the .gifs and .jpgs aren't showing (although the links still work); and, clicking on the place-markered red "x," you arrive at this page; for those on dial-up access, it takes forever to load the trailer (which, IMO, possesses about the same valence and value as the entry itself; but, it isn't included among the DVD's "extras"):

http://www.leonardcohenimyourman.com/
Life has meaning again!
Again?

:shock:

BodaciousHowler
p.s. Lian Lunson's link to her Blog is also cited at the above URL (which may explain to Natalie why she would not be disposed towards visiting here to add her deux; IMO, she ought not have to elaborate upon her creation, anyway, it ought to speak for itself)
p.p.s. Much of the intro you describe, ~greg, is standard promo-footage for all Lionsgate / Icon / Sundance Channel / Horse (or variations thereof) co-productions; it's not unique to IYM (which commences when the first bars of "Waiting For The Miracle" are heard)
p.p.p.s. Also, in The Gallery, you'll see at the second URL, the intro and extro pics (two of the fifteen, IOW) feature shots of the "Burlesque Beauty" (identified in the credits as such, IIRC); her costume matches the decor of the nightclub where the private party in New York was held; in RL, she'd be one of the waitresses who works at that bar
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TOM SAKIC & JUDITH FITZGERALD @ LTAC:
http://www.attlc-ltac.org/Langs.htm
THE ITEM THAT HE SENT HER:
http://www.judithfitzgerald.ca/leonardcohen.html
ADAGIOS III — ELECTRA'S BENISON, BOUND!
http://www.oberonpress.ca/titles.pl?v=new
JUDITH FITZGERALD'S EVER-EVOLVING WRITESITE:
http://www.judithfitzgerald.ca/
LEONARD COHEN'S OPEN BOOK OF LONGING:
http://tinyurl.com/yno7z7
POET PARLIAMENTAEIRIAL JUDITH FITZGERALD:
http://tinyurl.com/38ssjq
THE AMERICAN BOOK REVIEW:
http://tinyurl.com/2h6op6
SUNITI NAMJOSHI'S BRIGHTSITE:
http://tinyurl.com/37jjvy
ON AL PURDY & ELI MANDEL @ CBC:
http://tinyurl.com/2vdrdq
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Post by BoHo » Fri Mar 16, 2007 12:28 am

Tom Sakic wrote:I think that the fact did someone see Willner's original show or not has nothing to do with Lunson's movie itself. (I hesitate to call it a film) . . .
TS, you say so many things about so much in your response here that I have taken the liberty of focussing (sorry) on one aspect, the fact your distinction's imperative to an understanding of what's all wrong and conversely, alright.

I wonder if, correlative to what's on the table in this thread (and, I do plan to reply to John's and others' points in it), it might be useful to start another thread in EE wherein we all put our cinematic cards on the table:

B'Losers Top-Ten Films and Top-Ten Docus (and, even, Top-Ten Music Features [in contradistinction from Musicals]). John listed a few and it got me to thinking about those I consider brilliant examples that explore and extend the artform (which is what a film or documentary does, as opposed to a movie which, IMO, exploits same). Just a distinction I make to set the table upon which these takes might be featured in their best light.

David Letterman did not invent the Top-Ten List; Marshall McLuhan did. I know our lists change from day to day or week to week; but, there are some standards for filmic excellence and I think we might well be surprised at how many of those we share in common.

You're doing your doctorate in Film Studies, is that not correct, Tom? I ask because it might help reviewers of the review to additionally know my Honours BA is in English & Creative Writing as its Major and Film as its Minor. I also studied composition and theory at the Royal Conservatory of Music during the same period. My post-graduate work was in English, Linguistics, and Languages; I'm not bragging about my paltry degrees below zero; no biggee, I know (especially since, after three years of being an assistant professor, I left the academy forever. I couldn't bear to hear students being called "units," for one reason; plus, I was appalled at how little students meant to most of my colleagues. I loved teaching; I never found a way to reconcile it with the endless bureaucratica surrounding salaries and benefits and meetings where I couldn't smoke).

However, since this is the holy game of poker, I think the piece I wrote on Lunson's offering might better be understood in view of the brass facts about its reviewer (and, I do not say this defensively; rather, I am hoping to frame — again, sorry — my considered assessment [a.k.a. opinions ONLY] in its proper context).

Love, Bo
p.s. Right, LC hasn't seen the DVD; but, my review does note he endorsed it and obviously, he cooperated in its creation
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Post by jarkko » Fri Mar 16, 2007 1:09 am

http://www.leonardcohenfiles.com/lian.html/

But, the .gifs and .jpgs aren't showing (although the links still work);
I checked the page four times - once the photos indeed weren't showing while three attempts were successful. No idea why it failed once.
If you don't see them, try to refresh/reload the page.
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Post by BoHo » Fri Mar 16, 2007 1:39 am

jarkko wrote:
http://www.leonardcohenfiles.com/lian.html/

But, the .gifs and .jpgs aren't showing (although the links still work);
I checked the page four times - once the photos indeed weren't showing while three attempts were successful. No idea why it failed once.
If you don't see them, try to refresh/reload the page.
Nope. I cleared my cache, TIFs, and History; then, hit F5 and still, no images. Maybe someone elses could kindly go and see how their browsers respond. It may be IE7 (and, I am switching to Firefox next week); but, perhaps if others tried it, you'd know better. I know Lizzy would; but, she's got a date, er, appointment :).

I F-Fived it several times, too. HTH.

Love, Bo
p.s. Thanks for the great space you gave the piece, Jarkkoroono; I think your illustrations are perfekk, too; John K. mentioned "bravery," and I think that applies equally to you. Salut!
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http://www.attlc-ltac.org/Langs.htm
THE ITEM THAT HE SENT HER:
http://www.judithfitzgerald.ca/leonardcohen.html
ADAGIOS III — ELECTRA'S BENISON, BOUND!
http://www.oberonpress.ca/titles.pl?v=new
JUDITH FITZGERALD'S EVER-EVOLVING WRITESITE:
http://www.judithfitzgerald.ca/
LEONARD COHEN'S OPEN BOOK OF LONGING:
http://tinyurl.com/yno7z7
POET PARLIAMENTAEIRIAL JUDITH FITZGERALD:
http://tinyurl.com/38ssjq
THE AMERICAN BOOK REVIEW:
http://tinyurl.com/2h6op6
SUNITI NAMJOSHI'S BRIGHTSITE:
http://tinyurl.com/37jjvy
ON AL PURDY & ELI MANDEL @ CBC:
http://tinyurl.com/2vdrdq
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Post by lizzytysh » Fri Mar 16, 2007 3:38 am

I know Lizzy would; but, she's got a date, er, appointment :) .
Yes, she will... being especially available to assist; since having had an appointment, er, a date, er an appointment :) , she's home early and all :D .

Now... I need to figure out where to go, beyond the usual :wink: .

[to be continued... ]

Hmmm. Strange. I can get the same version of a trailer, by going two, different routes, and that by clicking on the red x; rather than right-clicking, and then clicking on Show Picture [which it doesn't]. So, don't think I've been of much help here... I'm still looking for footage of Julie and Perla. I want to see Julie and Perla. What's worse is that I'm absolutely 100% certain that everyone would love to see Julie and Perla... whether they've ever heard of them or not :( .


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Post by BoHo » Fri Mar 16, 2007 4:29 am

lizzytysh wrote:Hmmm. Strange. I can get the same version of a trailer, by going two, different routes, and that by clicking on the red x . . .
:!: Bingo! You've helped immensely, Lizzy. There shouldn't be a red "x" there; it should be the banner advert for the trailer. Thanks for checking. If you return to that page, would you mind clearing your Temporary Internet Files and History before you do; then, hit F5 once you are on that page? If there's still a collection of little white boxes with red "x" symbols in 'em, it ain't Malvina Reynolds's Little Boxes :lol:; and, you don't have to report anything further; however, if F5 process does show the images then, you might want to let Jarkko know. Ta.

Love, Bo
p.s. Lizzy, you know my under-construction pages, right? You want to see copyright theft so brazen and without any request for permission whatsoever, it makes this Canuck puke, check this out:
http://www.thechasegroup.ca
p.p.s. Oh, BTW, Happy Birthday, too ;)
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Post by lizzytysh » Fri Mar 16, 2007 6:36 am

Just got here... still have one, heavily promised email to write tonight before I sleep... but saw something all oranged up, so just had to come see... now, I'll go try that suggestion you gave, BoHo. However, not without commenting on a couple things first:
p.s. Lizzy, you know my under-construction pages, right? You want to see copyright theft so brazen and without any request for permission whatsoever, it makes this Canuck puke, check this out:
http://www.thechasegroup.ca
Pitiful. Hysterical, if it were only funny :evil: . What is their Plan B, I wonder... nothing to be done about that kind of traipsing around on your stuff? I wonder if the ChaseGroup is going to have Words Chasing A Cursor, too :shock: !

Oh, yes, my Birthday :wink: ... MMMmmmmm... thank you :wink: .

Okay, now I'm off on a mission. Be back in another posting. This Temp Files and History stuff... well... may take a few minutes... not for the clearing, but to figure out how to do it :shock: . Be back.

Maybe, your own experiment will help occupy this dilemma'd space till I can get mine done, John.


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Post by lizzytysh » Fri Mar 16, 2007 6:43 am

Well, schoot! I thought I could do it and now I can't even remember where to go to get started!

WHERE are the Temp I Files and Clear History functions, please???

Oh, wait... I found them! However, I cannot Delete Cookies... only the Temp I Files... if I delete Cookies, I keep losing what I'm working on... be it answering an email, or posting on the Forum, if I have more than one window of either open at the same time.

So, I SEEM to have deleted the History... since it asked was I sure that this is what I wanted to do... the next biggest step to marriage... and I said, "Yeeessss." Then, it just dropped out of sight and nothing much else happened... just a few noises.

Now, I'll go do the Delete on the Temp File area and click only on the center button. Be back.
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Post by lizzytysh » Fri Mar 16, 2007 6:49 am

G'night, John. Yes, I finally found it! ON my own, even... [so proud, so proud :wink: ]. Thanks for your help, anyway, though! May need it again, easily may need it again, with something else!


Love,
Lizzay

Well... that took a little longer. Okay, now I'll go check out the page, again.

Back :( . Woe is you. Woe is me. No number of F5's were gonna do the trick. Still the little red boxes; still the same results. The second one down in the middle column of them, I can click to get the trailer. The one on the left, I can click to get the trailer. Same as last time. A malfunction somewhere, it would seem... eh, Watson?

Goodnight... well, sorta... going to type that email and THEN sleep.


Love,
Lizzy/Lizzay
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