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Post by Boss » Tue Oct 04, 2005 4:21 pm

Hi Elizabeth,

Bear with me, I realise I'm probably in for some ridicule here, but I am resolute.

We're so used to this 'you scratch my back, I scratch yours' mentality that we may just be missing something quite wonderful right under our noses. The world would function the same if you took away all the bullion and cash. Indeed it may work better. If we had a united core belief system that insisted primarily on compassion, the need for money would diminish. Ask the Dalai Lama, ask any simple monk. It is people's spirit that needs to change. Humanity would still work because it would want to work. To share in this remarkable Life, bless our remarkable home - Earth. This is how the groceries get from Point A to Point B! Is this such a revolutionary idea?

Also, our armies could be put to much better use. Instead of practising murder they could practice how to care. As noted previously, we are in our teenage years, but don't you think adults could figure this out? 'The Future' our Mr. Cohen was alluding to is real. I believe Leonard Cohen could imagine a world without money. Can you?

Goodnight Lizzy

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Post by lizzytysh » Tue Oct 04, 2005 5:02 pm

Hi Boss ~

I can sure try. If an idea is valid in concept, it also needs to be in its application, if it's to be feasible. That's why I'm interested in the logistics of it, with specific scenarios. Yes, in isolated circumstances, it seems workable, at least to a point. Still, even in mountain retreats, food is shipped in, etc. I won't discuss this out in all of its facets. I don't even know all of its facets. It reminds me of a great all-nighter when I was still in school [university]. I'm still trying to wrap my mind around all the implications of the costs of oil and gas, trucking, flights, etc. due to the hurricanes [and whatever else :roll: ], as prices increase nationwide here.

Utopia is a great idea. I cannot argue that.
Best wishes, Boss. I share your idealism. Just haven't carried it to that extent, though on a certain level, that is probably my loss.

"Oh, what tangled webs we weave
When first we practice to deceive . . . "
ourselves . . .
regarding what we need
to be at peace
with ourselves
and the world.

~ Lizzy
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Post by lightning » Tue Oct 04, 2005 5:57 pm

"I believe Leonard Cohen could imagine a world without money. Can you?"

Thanks to ex-manager Kelley Lynch he almost not need imagine it. But what do you think he is suing in court for? Hugs and kisses?
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Post by lizzytysh » Tue Oct 04, 2005 6:03 pm

That thought occurred to me, too, Lightning ~ but, moreso, in that he hasn't lived without it, and chose to return to Boogie Street, where it's quite prevalent.....and, now, gone missing :cry: [to use a Southern phrase]. Still, a learning experience, a 'guest' to be welcomed ~ no doubt.
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Post by lightning » Tue Oct 04, 2005 8:08 pm

"a gift" in its distressing disguise, no doubt.
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Post by lizzytysh » Tue Oct 04, 2005 8:22 pm

Thank you for that clarification, Lightning ~ NO doubt :cry: .
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Post by lizzytysh » Tue Oct 04, 2005 9:09 pm

Boss ~

These align with what's important, other than money.

From the Red Cross site:
Watching the water rise in their homes, Maria was sure they would die together. After the dramatic rescue, the couple decided they didn’t want to delay getting married any longer. The two wed in the small chapel created within the cavernous relief center. She wore a wedding dress donated to the shelter, while he found a nice suit among the stacks. A volunteer fixed Maria’s hair and other evacuee shelter residents hummed “The Wedding March.” A Texas State Guard chaplain performed the ceremony.

Traumatic events prompt people to search for what is truly meaningful in their lives, according to Johnson. While the loss of a home and possessions is important, during a disaster many often realize that their family is what they value most. “[Marriage] is a very hopeful act. It’s a way of believing in the future and taking steps,” he explained.

The Red Cross takes a non-sectarian and humanitarian approach to its emotional and spiritual assistance.
Saturday, October 01, 2005 — Chouipque Bayou and Hackberry, La. — Just south of Lake Charles, La., is low-lying Cameron Parish, sparsely populated yet tight-knit communities that have come together in the aftermath of Hurricane Rita.

Both Choupique Bayou and Hackberry have been devastated by Hurricane Rita, sustaining an 80 to 90 percent total loss of homes. Miraculously, there have been no fatalities.


The proud, self-reliant people of Choupique Bayou
and Hackberry, La., accept relief supplies, including
food and water, from American Red Cross volunteers
after Hurricane Rita devastated the small
communities just south of Lake Charles, La.
(Photo Credit: Marty Robby/American Red Cross)

Twisted, buckled, flooded and splintered, most of the houses are hard to recognize as recently having been a family’s home. Driving to bring relief supplies to these small communities, American Red Cross workers must traverse miles of debris and endless tangles of downed power lines. The snakelike cords illustrate the enormous task ahead for utility companies.

“We rode out Audrey, we rode out Katrina and we rode out Rita,” says long-time Hackberry resident 63 year-old Ernie Little with a wonderful drawl that epitomizes the Louisiana Bayou. “But we aren’t going to do that again.”

His older brother Butch, 65, agrees with a quiet nod and a tired stare. The brothers have lived in Hackberry their entire lives. Not ones to be scared easily, they stayed in the only home they have ever known during the storms. Ernie’s wife evacuated, and the closest available hotel she could find was in Arkansas.

Today, the Little brothers are trying to find their scattered cattle and locate potable water. The tidal surge from Rita came so far inland that it has ruined much of the area’s water supply. Two Red Cross workers provide the Little brothers with a case of drinking water.

Sadly, the local Catholic Church has sustained massive damage, including its cemetery where the storm was strong enough to uproot crypts and spill caskets onto the ground – a testament to Rita’s force which, while dwarfed by the magnitude Hurricane Katrina, remained a massive hurricane by typical standards.

In the small community of Chouipque Bayou, the one gas station that serves as the central point of the town has sustained major damage. But, it is lucky compared to the rest of the town. Of the 20 or so homes in Choupique, only a three did not suffer flood damage. Mud and debris coat the floors of the houses that are still standing, many of which will have to be demolished.
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On the GOOD that money can do, however, this link is an important one. It's fundraising by the Red Cross dubbed "Dine For America" and is tomorrow, Wednesday, October 5. Following this link will take anyone to a list of states in the U.S., with links to cities, and then participating restaurants. There are two in my immediate area, so I'll be going to Chili's, my first time there. They'll be contributing 100% of their profits.

For the states, etc.:

http://www.dineforamerica.org/find/


For the article:

http://www.redcross.org/article/0,1072, ... 97,00.html


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Post by Boss » Wed Oct 05, 2005 1:42 am

Lightning,

Cohen lives in our screwball reality - he has to go to court. But such a man as he, I'm sure he could imagine a money free world. Sit back and picture it Lightning. It takes you to amazing places...

Lizzy,

I applaud your support for the Red Cross "Dine for America". Hope you enjoy your meal. This is the kind of community programme (I know this one has to do with money) I've been pointing towards. Where everyone chips in. Done on mass scale we could return to Eden. A bit of education, a sprinkling of love and Bob's your uncle!

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Post by lightning » Wed Oct 05, 2005 2:04 am

Boss,
All the other creatures on the planet live in a money free world. Perhaps you could live among them.
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Post by Boss » Wed Oct 05, 2005 2:17 am

It would be a pleasure...

But not yet, there's work to be done.

This separation of human from animal concerns me Lightning. We are all relatives are we not? And certainly pigs and cows and chickens and elephants and tigers and.... are involved in our commerce are they not? Don't split Humanity from the animal world, we are a bigger part of it than you know. A much bigger part.
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Post by lightning » Wed Oct 05, 2005 4:57 am

" not yet, there's work to be done."

"Consider the lillies of the field..."
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Post by Tchocolatl » Wed Oct 05, 2005 2:06 pm

Here goes that discussion about money again?

Coluche said (more of less) "If I undestand well, the riches are bad people, and the poors are good people. Then, why everybody wants to be bad?

Very funny.

Money is very useful. A very cleaver invention indeed. Money in itself worth nothing. The value of money does not exist in itself, it is all in the mind. The principle is powerful and useful, though.

In a near future, money may be completely over - to your great pleasure Boss - melted in the form of "credit" in and out of an (or more?) account number(s) of some sort.

Money is not the problem. It is greed the "problem".

Well. Enough now. I must do a lillie of myself. Time to transform some sun ray into oxygen, so to speak. :D
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Post by lizzytysh » Wed Oct 05, 2005 2:16 pm

Money is not the problem. It is greed the "problem".
There ya go.
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Post by jurica » Wed Oct 05, 2005 2:27 pm

lightning wrote:"I believe Leonard Cohen could imagine a world without money. Can you?"

Thanks to ex-manager Kelley Lynch he almost not need imagine it.
:D :D :D :D :D - that's a very good one.

i'm not going into money/no-money issue. i'd certanly like the world my close friend fights for (no money), but he himself says that it won't happen anywhere near our lifetimes, so... little good does it do to me (who need money to survive).
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Post by jurica » Wed Oct 05, 2005 2:32 pm

anyway, here's the organisation he is a member of : http://www.worldsocialism.org/

i don't know much about them, but the guy is quite smart, so i figure, if he's in it - it can't be all bad.
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