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Re: Terrible news from Hydra

Posted: Wed Aug 19, 2015 10:22 pm
by jarkko
We can cover the costs of the flowers (70 eur) from the bench money but I don't think we can go any further.
We have understood that Cristina needs - and is getting - psychiatric therapy while everything else is now secondary. Financial, insurance and other legal issues will certainly be solved later with the help of authorities, lawyers and financial experts.
Lakis will keep us updated, and one of our members (Frauke) is now on the island.

Re: Terrible news from Hydra

Posted: Wed Aug 19, 2015 10:57 pm
by its4inthemorning
Goldin, please carefully reread what I posted. I said nothing about HydraArk, I said "nonprofit organization(s) that benefit the overall community."

Why try to promote arguments where none exist, especially at this sad time?

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Re: Terrible news from Hydra

Posted: Thu Aug 20, 2015 12:16 am
by lizzytysh
Yes, Cristina's psychiatric needs following this trauma are what's most important now. I'm glad to know that she's already under care. The financial stuff will get sorted later. Our flowers are the gesture that clearly say we care.

Re: Terrible news from Hydra

Posted: Thu Aug 20, 2015 2:38 am
by hydriot
The fundamental problem is that all Greek banks are bankrupt at the moment (40% of all debts are non-performing) and will remain so for some weeks yet I reckon. As a result, Greeks are keeping vastly more money in their homes than usual. And that makes Greece a hugely attractive target for international robbers.

My information from the island is that on Saturday night Manoli was suspicious of this group who were troublesome in the taverna, and that Christine recognised that they were from Georgia from their language, as she had employed Georgians before. It sounds like the robbery was opportunistic rather than carefully planned, perhaps vengeance for Manoli's atttude, for what foreigner is stupid enough to kill a popular local on an island and then try to escape not in a pre-positioned boat but in a sea-taxi?

It is just as well that the police moved the suspects to Athens immediately as I suspect they would otherwise have been lynched.

Re: Terrible news from Hydra

Posted: Thu Aug 20, 2015 3:13 am
by lizzytysh
I don't know what you're saying regarding Manoli's attitude. When they hired people from that region to begin with, what would the attitude be? If the people were being disruptive, the owner's reaction to that would have been expected. It could well have been an opportunistic crime, pure and simple, which puts other owners and shopkeepers at risk, as well, because you're right that the Greek economic crisis is predictably going to result in people having more cash on hand.

I wish they HAD been kept on the island and been dealt with accordingly. I just hope the remaining two are caught, and that the Greek judicial system is more straightforward, more certain, and swifter than ours in the U.S.

Re: Terrible news from Hydra

Posted: Thu Aug 20, 2015 3:20 pm
by harald
Yes, dear Jarkko, just the cost of the flowers. I think it´s perfectly in line with the idea of our bench funds - surplus to spend on Hydra.
It is only a small gesture.
With the death of a beloved one there is vitually nothing that helps, there´s only grief and sorrow.
Money comes by far second.
(Btw we do not know the financial situation of Christina, and yes, we hardly could use the bench funds for greater individual support.)

Re: Terrible news from Hydra

Posted: Thu Aug 20, 2015 4:11 pm
by Dem
To clarify a bit about the Georgians who are charged
with Manolis robbery and death although the reports here
are somewhat confusing:

It seems there are 11 Georgians in total.
9 members of the gang and the 2 waiters in the tavern.
7 were arrested but the other 2 (a man and a woman)
managed to escape from Hydra with the loot.
Police think they are an organized
gang responsible also for previous robberies in Athens
(some of them had been jailed before).

They arrived on Hydra on Saturday looking for possible targets.
At night they went for dinner to Manolis and Christina's
tavern and there they probably managed to "fish" information from
their two compatriots who worked in the tavern.

As of now it seems that the two waiters are not involved in the robbery
and have not been arrested.

These are the 7:
http://www.news.gr/ellada/astynomiko-de ... a-ton.html


Dem

Re: Terrible news from Hydra

Posted: Thu Aug 20, 2015 4:14 pm
by Stranger
Very sad news indeed, another senseless crime. My condolences to Christina and their family.

Re: Terrible news from Hydra

Posted: Thu Aug 20, 2015 11:26 pm
by phillip
what is this world coming too

Re: Terrible news from Hydra

Posted: Fri Aug 21, 2015 2:49 am
by lizzytysh
I'm afraid they all look very strong, very cold, and very scary.
It's anxiety producing to just look at their photos.

Re: Terrible news from Hydra

Posted: Wed Aug 26, 2015 4:41 am
by MaryB
My deepest condolences to Christina, family and friends. With such a horrific crime, no words can truly comfort them at this time. I am so sorry this terrible act occurred to such lovely hospitable people.

Thank you Jarkko for sending the flowers and I agree with Harald that surplus bench funds should be used to cover the cost. If it is decided that they are not to be used, we will gladly contribute to their cost.

Re: Terrible news from Hydra

Posted: Wed Aug 26, 2015 9:09 pm
by jarkko
Our member Frauke is still on the island, and has heard that Cristina's son may re-open the tavern next Spring, but not before March. He is a professional cook.

Re: Terrible news from Hydra

Posted: Thu Aug 27, 2015 11:26 am
by lizzytysh
I'm so hoping that Cristina and her family may be able to put some pieces of their lives back together after such a total shattering.

Thanks to Frauke and you, Jarkko, for giving us this update. I haven't wanted to ask, but have wondered every day how things are for Cristina and Hydra.

Re: Terrible news from Hydra

Posted: Thu Aug 27, 2015 11:41 am
by oblivion
Thank you , Jarkko for the up-date, i´m thinking so often about Christina and the whole situation.
it would be so good to reopen the restaurant with her son, the the Lifework of Christina & Manolis would be continued
Ute

Re: Terrible news from Hydra

Posted: Fri Sep 11, 2015 2:55 pm
by hydriot
I am on the island now. I met Christina, dressed in black, on the path below my house and gave her a big hug and asked if there was anything we could do. She looked, as you would expect, totally shattered. I doubt she has eaten anything for a while. As generous as ever, her response was to ask after my children!

However, she was accompanied by an older woman, who was clearly keeping a protective eye on her, plus a small energetic little girl (perhaps a grand-daughter?) Children are really the only comfort at a time like this.

I was angry to read that two of the suspects had only recently been released on parole, under a new law. Why weren't they immediatey deported?