Cohen's "You Have the Lovers"

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Cohen's "You Have the Lovers"

Postby adrienlee » Sat Nov 29, 2008 8:58 am

I recently read Cohen's poem, and I was wondering if anyone had any idea about who the speaker of the poem is? Also, how would you analyze the poem? I feel as though the speaker is antagonistic toward procreative sexuality yet still feels the allure of sexuality as a means of escapism.

Thoughts?

Thanks,
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Re: Cohen's "You Have the Lovers"

Postby lonndubh » Sun Nov 30, 2008 5:57 am

You Have the Lovers

You have the lovers,
they are nameless, their histories only for each other,
and you have the room, the bed, and the windows.
Pretend it is a ritual.
Unfurl the bed, bury the lovers, blacken the windows,
let them live in that house for a generation or two.
No one dares disturb them.
Visitors in the corridor tip-toe past the long closed door,
they listen for sounds, for a moan, for a song:
nothing is heard, not even breathing.
You know they are not dead,
you can feel the presence of their intense love.
Your children grow up, they leave you,
they have become soldiers and riders.
Your mate dies after a life of service.
Who knows you? Who remembers you?
But in your house a ritual is in progress:
It is not finished: it needs more people.
One day the door is opened to the lover's chamber.
The room has become a dense garden,
full of colours, smells, sounds you have never known.
The bed is smooth as a wafer of sunlight,
in the midst of the garden it stands alone.
In the bed the lovers, slowly and deliberately and silently,
perform the act of love.
Their eyes are closed,
as tightly as if heavy coins of flesh lay on them.
Their lips are bruised with new and old bruises.
Her hair and his beard are hopelessly tangled.
When he puts his mouth against her shoulder
she is uncertain whether her shoulder
has given or received the kiss.
All her flesh is like a mouth.
He carries his fingers along her waist
and feels his own waist caressed.
She holds him closer and his own arms tighten around her.
She kisses the hand besider her mouth.
It is his hand or her hand, it hardly matters,
there are so many more kisses.
You stand beside the bed, weeping with happiness,
you carefully peel away the sheets
from the slow-moving bodies.
Your eyes filled with tears, you barely make out the lovers,
As you undress you sing out, and your voice is magnificent
because now you believe it is the first human voice
heard in that room.
The garments you let fall grow into vines.
You climb into bed and recover the flesh.
You close your eyes and allow them to be sewn shut.
You create an embrace and fall into it.
There is only one moment of pain or doubt
as you wonder how many multitudes are lying beside your body,
but a mouth kisses and a hand soothes the moment away"

I feel that this poem was written by a very young Leonard maybe 17 or 18 who had insatable sexual needs and imagined lovers but not love
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Re: Cohen's "You Have the Lovers"

Postby lizzytysh » Thu Dec 04, 2008 9:48 pm

I love this poem for its exquisite sensuality, and the amazing imagination of our Leonard when he was young.


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Re: Cohen's "You Have the Lovers"

Postby Manna » Fri Dec 05, 2008 3:21 am

One thing I have seen Leonard do is mentally take himself out of a situation and look at it from the third-person point of view. He does this so naturally and easily that he believes everyone does it. From this point of view, he talks to himself. As I see it, this poem is an example.
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Re: Cohen's "You Have the Lovers"

Postby darleneg » Sun Dec 07, 2008 1:00 pm

Manna wrote:One thing I have seen Leonard do is mentally take himself out of a situation and look at it from the third-person point of view. He does this so naturally and easily that he believes everyone does it. From this point of view, he talks to himself. As I see it, this poem is an example.


I totally agree. It is like he has created an out of body experience of himself. You could also say that he has created a place in his mind where he is "remembering" these things happen. Almost like when you day dream and flash back, and see the details, like he describes in the poem. He can describe everything that is there, but the view point is from a surreal place or from the mind.
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Re: Cohen's "You Have the Lovers"

Postby sturgess66 » Sun Oct 17, 2010 7:17 am

"TheFreemason75" has uploaded a video to YouTube
Leonard Cohen reciting "You Have The Lovers" -
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nfQh6LNV9pI
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Re: Cohen's "You Have the Lovers"

Postby MaryB » Sun Oct 17, 2010 9:02 pm

This poem in print is so sensually powerful. Then, listening to LC recite this, I melted.

Linda, thank you for the link and ressurecting this thread.
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Re: Cohen's "You Have the Lovers"

Postby owilks » Mon Nov 15, 2010 5:29 pm

What collection is this in again?
It's a very idyllic and beautiful poem until the presence of the third person is brought into existence, which reminds me of the disturbing menage-a-trois relationship between the narrator, F. and Edith in Beautiful Losers. At that point it becomes very uncomfortable, and when the third person ('you'... we as readers?) is related as looking at the lovers and taking off their clothes which become like vines, all the romantic imagery is shattered and a sinister, beguiling scene is created. The lovers become indistinguishable as individuals and identity is lost. I think it's commenting on the activity of the reader when reading poetry; they have vicarious experience through the poem, whether invasive or not, just as the 'you' seems to embroil himself in the lover's intimacy, uninvited yet invited.
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Re: Cohen's "You Have the Lovers"

Postby Daedalus » Thu Feb 02, 2012 10:07 am

This poem is both a love poem, and a cleverly disquised poem about the Holocaust. When you read it carefully, the imagery of a mass grave appears. What do you guys think?
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Re: Cohen's "You Have the Lovers"

Postby lizzytysh » Mon Feb 20, 2012 12:49 pm

The is one of my favourite poems of Leonard's. It was written when he was 17... what amazing imagination and WORDS expressed for a 17-year-old man... it's difficult to say boy in this context. The Holocaust has never crossed my mind with regard to this poem, yet with Leonard, that is certainly possible. I'd be interested in reading your deciphering of it from that perspective.


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