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Tom Sakic wrote: Now, Judy Collins's versions, I'd like to compare it also. Hmm, I have 2005 CD, I think it's compilation of *all* her LC covers (plus new, one from VP, and Democracy I think) which means 1. I can check it, and 2. you can get it.
I had the same thought a few minutes after my previous posting, so I went right ahead and ordered a few of her albums, including some I used to have as vinyl records years ago and no longer have.

Thanks for all the other info and reading recommendations (your memory never fails to amaze me), and kudos to Judith.
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~greg wrote:That is interesting. From search, I think you must mean the word 'zenos', = 'stranger', 'enemy', 'guest'. (english "xenophobia" -from this.) My guess is it's due to one of Zeno's paradoxes.
In English, X and Z tend to get a bit mixed up as their sounds are similar, but in Greek the letters are very different, so Xenos would not have anything to do with Zeno. In the sixties, especially under the colonels, a chain of government run hotels was established, all named Xenia, in a gesture of welcome I suppose. They were dependable but bland. The one on Hydra is now called the Hydrossa, just down from Vangelis's pharmacy.

I also don't believe Xenos means 'enemy' in Greek ('hostes' from the same root is Latin). See http://www.putlearningfirst.com/languag ... etmol.html :

GUEST
Both "guest" and "host" come from the same Indo-Eoropean *ghostis meaning stranger. the hard "g" sound is used for the visiting person and similar words appear in many Germanic languages. The Greek variant "xenos" give us modern English "xenophobia" while the Latin, taking the softer "h" sound meant stranger or enemy, as in modern English "hostile." Old French took a Latin variant "hospit-" and this became "host" in English. From this we have hospital, hostel, hotel.
~greg wrote: I doubt however that the obscurity of road side shrines had anything to do with 'Priests' not appearing on the album. For one thing, they aren't all that obscure. They're quite common in all the major Catholic countries, and in Mexico, and even in the USA - (see: http://www.fisheaters.com/roadsideshrines.html and: http://images.google.com/images?svnum=1 ... rch+Images for more images).
Most of these photos are of niches not shrines. Yes, I know that a niche is semantically a subset of a shrine, but to me they have very different purposes, a niche being ornamental while a shrine is a pocket-chapel, where the passer-by performs an act of worship or at least reflection, lights a votive candle or wick, and enjoys a sip of water before travelling on, refereshed spiritually as well as physically. I spent a lot of time in Italy in the fifties and early sixties, and never noticed the niches at all ... but on coming to Greece for the first time in 1965 was immediately struck by the profusion of shrines and the devotion with which they were tended. I find it hard to imagine LC noticed any shrines before coming to Greece, any more than I did.
~greg wrote:Also, after WWII, in the '50s and '60s, there were a lot of American tourists around.
True, and many of them were on Hydra with LC. Chuck and Gordon were two of the loveliest. There is a wonderful photo of them in the middle of LC's songbook (pages 12 and 13), carousing at a table littered with empty Kampas flagons, Gordon Merrick (a writer, on the left) and Charlie Hulse his partner on the right. Gordon is dead now, but Chuck lives in Sri Lanka and returns to the island occasionally.
“If you do have love it's a kind of wound, and if you don't have it it's worse.” - Leonard, July 1988
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From Jim Devlin:
This month's MOJO has a glorious review of the 3 x
re-issues, plus a full-page b&w photo from the 'room'
booklet; 5 ***** for Songs of; 5 ***** for 'Room', and
4 **** for Love and Hate.
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Post by Davido »

I posted this info last Sunday, 29th. earlier in this thread.Also, I have posted in full the very good review of 'Blue Alert' in the News BOL & BAlert section from this mag. There is also a short review of 'LC Under Review' dvd in the same mag. NB it is the JUNE issue, no.163.
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That's right! Have been so busy recently that some threads are still unread! Luckily a weekend is coming - time to catch up!
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My trio just showed up. I don't know if this has been mentioned yet, but Jarkko gets a well deserved THANKS on all three albums. Very cool.

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Good catch Laurie! Our esteemed web master is always deserving of such notice.

Noted that Anjani also got credits :D
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Huh, Night Magic, I ordered remastered re-release last Fall and I ddin't even listen to it yet :oops: Always thought great lyrics, but bad music, so I always keep losing it out of my sight.


I listened to Judy Collins' 2005 CD yesterday, and she sings early version, the out-take version of Dress Rehearsal Rag. She also sings mentioned lines in Story of Isaac and also some variations in Suzanne which always bothered me, particularly when people covered it, like Roberta Flack, "to her place by the river ... you can spend your night forever". [I also don't like when people cover Jennifer Warnes' versions instead of original, like that Ain't No Cure For Love on Tower of Song tribute.]

Anyhow, Judy rocks with ... A Thousand Kisses Deep! recorded (along with Night Comes On and Democracy) specially for this "Judy sings Leonard" birthday compilation (released for LC's 70th birthday, as Perla's cover CD also). Anyhow, with these three extra tracks she proved she has good nerve for recognising the really important Cohen song.

ps. There are also Priests on CD.

pps. I decided to double-check Judy. Bird on the wire. And she clearly sings "Like a bird on THE wire" etc. ;-)
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IMO Jennifer Warnes is the best back up singer LC has had. 'Famous Blue Raincoat' was more successful world wide than many of his own albums had been up to that date - ie. she introduced people to his music, not the other way around.

LC wrote 'Ain't no cure for love' with her in mind and I like her country version even if it is different to his version.

I can also, after all this time, forgive her for singing about 'a wire' instead of 'the wire'. She is only human, as we all are.
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kokenpere wrote:I'm fairly certain that the original cardboard sleeve for
"Songs Of Leonard Cohen" listed 'Priests' as one of the songs on the album.
The title was deleted from the sleeve with subsequent printings
and I had thought that someone at Columbia Records made a "mistake".
I was in retail record sales at the time. (December 1967)
I would look on both sides of the vinyl for 'Priests' and look again
at the sleeve and lyric sheet for it and would come up empty.
Bottom line: it seems a pretty safe bet that Sony/Columbia/BMG/Legacy
has that as a future bonus track.

kokenpere
~greg wrote:My point is that if it turns out that 'Priests' was not, in fact,
mistakenly printed on the sleeve of Song of Leonard Cohen,
-or, in other words, if that's a mistaken memory,
- then it's probably due to having see it on the
Wildflowers sleeve, - the two sleeves
having gotten mixed up in the pile.
~greg
DBCohen wrote:Great piece, Greg. I don’t think that “Priests” appeared on the sleeve of Songs of Leonard Cohen.
:)

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kokenpere, - you've got a great memory!

(but considering the time-frame (-late 1960s)
- that makes me think you might have been a narc ; )
Beyond the monochrome album sleeve, as stark and unadorned as the music,
lays one final mystery. Whether a last minute omission or a pressing mistake,
an unreleased song Priests is listed on the sheet music, it would appear
in the following years covered by Judy Collins and Richie Havens,
another enigmatic message smuggled from the dark side of romance,

source: http://dogmatika.com/dm/stuff_more.php?id=2345_0_2_0_C
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blonde madonna wrote:IMO Jennifer Warnes is the best back up singer LC has had.
As much I love Anjani, personally and musically (great and emotional voice, since "she got it" in Undertow track), I agree with this. Few days ago I listened to Various Positions, and somebody said "Who's that woman singing with him?" Everybody seems to forget that VP's liner notes says "Vocals: Leonard Cohen and Jennifer Warnes" - although the album was released under Leonard's name, inside it's actually credited to both of them! ... Then also, her voice's all over Recent Songs, and her vocal harmonies on later tracks like Take This Waltz, Democracy, Light as the Breeze, which she actually helped to finish (like, taking Take This Waltz, adding harmonies and Raffi's violin; she's credited for harmonies' arrangements). Considering Anjani's tracks over the years (First We Take Manhattan, Jazz Police), she was more like female back vocal, little harsh and ironic (and replacable, let's be honest, with any othe rfemale background vocalist); she achieved Warnes' level only with Dear Heather tracks. Her only contribution to The Future, Waiting for the Miracle, is, on the other hand, sung like it's Sharon Robinson (of Ten New Songs) - supressed, "silent", lullabying in the background, covering Leonard's voice. That's not strange as she obviosly has been instructed to sing it in Sharon's arrangement, as Sharon co-wrote that song. Sharon Robinson's TNS contribution works in same way as Warnes' worked on Recent Songs and VP - she is duetting, subdued to Leonard's vocal, laying over him, and little (in over-vocals) around him. Anjani is always more independent, singing her own parts or going out of Leonard's (Because Of, Villanelle, Morning Glory); she actually tooks the song and leaves with "Gloria" or some kind of similar vocal experiment. And that's working well with me; also, she's capable of making her music and voice, so I like it. It's something new for Cohen's music also I guess and I can't wait to hear new album; will she be still independent, or subdued? Real (even typical) Leonard Cohen style was that female voice is his alter ego, always with him, but merged into one voice, that's why I think that Jennifer was the best, and Sharon comes close (supported strongly by the fatc's the songs are hers also, plus her production).

PS. "a" and "the" - I think it's about copyrights. I checked US Cop. Office; Leonard protected both versions of the title, but it seems that US artists get the name from BMI or somewhere else where it's listed as Bird On A Wire.
Anyhow, In Jennifer's case, I think Leonard was the one who changed it. He was involved completely in making of Famous Blue Raincoat, giving new song (First We Take Manhattan, early version without final verses; and Leonard kept Warnes' "Eurodisco" arrangement for his own album version, changing it in live version, on Perla's idea), writing Ain't No Cure For Love (obviously new verses were added later) on Jennifer's idea (song emerged from their talk about AIDS in 1986, when LC said to her "well, darling, there ain't no cure for love"). He also changed pronouns in Famous Blue Raincoat, and re-wrote Ballad of the Absent Mare into Ballad of the Runaway Horse (which wasn't on the record, but song was released later on Robert Wasserman's album). He actually was modifying the lines so the woman can sing it from her point of view. He was also trying to achieve more general level, particularly in Famous Blue Raincoat changes. So I guess he decided that Bird on a Wire is in this case (more general level of song contents) more appropriate, as earlier he insisted it's on the (particular) wire.

Maybe all this is irrevelant, but I cheat myself that I will someday make annottated lyrics. I started the job for reissue (first three albums), planning to add them to site, but didn't have time to finish it until the albums' re-release.

Anyhow, I miss Jennifer.
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Ok. I'm not really dense. (I only play dense.
On the world-wide web.)

~~~

It said it was on the "sheet music". Not the "album sleeve".

Obviously I was misled by the way the paragraph started:
"Beyond the monochrome album sleeve, as stark and unadorned
as the music, lays one final mystery. ..."

But there's something else too.
The fake-book, or 'sheet music', or whatever it's called,
- was called "Songs Of Leonard Cohen".
(AMSCO MUSIC PUBLISHING ... COLLIER BOOKS ...)

(The real mystery is why I have it.
Because I got it when it came out.
And it's virtually the only thing I have left, from back then.)

The thing of it is, inspite of the title,
the book actually contains the lyrics to both albums
--"Songs of Leonard Cohen" and "Songs from A Room".
And then it ends with "Priests".
So I always thought of it as the anthology of all of LC's songs,
up to that point, plus a bonus.

Simply the presence of 'Priests' at the end of the anthology
could not have made anybody so certain that it was intended
for the 1st album, specifically, (and not, say, for the 2nd album,
or a future 3rd album) -- unless there was some other good reason
to think so, - such as it having been listed on the album sleeve!
What I quoted did after all use the word listed.
Except that it said "listed on the sheet music".
But that would have been a strange thing to say,
Unless it was also omitted from the sheet music!
They should have said it was "included
in the sheet music", and not just listed in it,
if that's what they really meant, and weren't
confusing "sheet music" with "album sleeve".

(But like I said, I'm only dense on the internet.)
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Post by ~greg »

I've wasted too much time looking for this.
So maybe somebody's got the collection, and can scan it?

~~~

Snoopy always had writer's block.
And I'm looking for the cartoon where he
got stuck trying to decide between: "a" and "the".
:)

(the (or thu, or a or uhh ) bird in
Peanuts was named "woodstock" )


~~~

(anybody who doesn't know snoopy (Peanuts, Charles Schulz)
- here's "the complete text of Snoopy's novel:"
http://www.daysofleisure.com/writing/th ... ovel:.html )
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Priests

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To Greg and Tom -

Thanks to the 'group' effort , "Priests" was listed and lyrics/sheet music was contained in Colliers "Songs Of Leonard Cohen" which had the title of LC's first LP and the cover picture from "Songs From A Room".
Unfortunately, the songbook is out of print. Also 40 year old memories are not what they used to be.

I originally searched "Songs Of . . ." and "Songs From . . ." for Priests and came up empty. I'm still hopeful that a LC version exists somewhere.

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