A 'devastated' Leonard Cohen

peter danielsen · Post by **peter danielsen** » Tue Aug 23, 2005 3:10 pm

I the song Democracy Cohen also sings

"It is comming to America first
the cradle of the best and of the worst
its here they got the range and the machinary for change
and its here they got the spiritual thirst."

Democracy, with all its problems, is the great hope for the world.

Jinx · Post by **Jinx** » Fri Aug 26, 2005 11:46 pm

Fljotsdale wrote:
linda_lakeside wrote:Jinx,

Isn't the US generally considered to be the cradle of democracy?

Linda.
That was Greece.

As Cohen sang: Democracy is coming to the USA...

More specifically ATHENS, GREECE, Thank you very much...

By the way, We don't have censorship or PG ratings here in Greece.

And our children turn out fine...

lizzytysh · Post by **lizzytysh** » Sat Aug 27, 2005 12:02 am

By the way, We don't have censorship or PG ratings here in Greece.
And our children turn out fine...

True.

~greg · Post by **~greg** » Sat Aug 27, 2005 2:34 am

Jinx wrote: By the way, We don't have censorship or PG ratings here in Greece.
And our children turn out fine...

...unless they try to speak or write in Macedonian.

(Which, in any case, is censored in all countries.
(That is to say in so far as doing so is regarded
as being analogous to crying "fire" in a public theater,
when there is no fire. A thing which is, thank
goodness, illegal, and censored, in all countries.
Except perhaps in Greece. Where there is no
censorship. And so the analogy may not hold
there. But the point still may.))

Fljotsdale · Post by **Fljotsdale** » Sat Aug 27, 2005 2:34 am

bee wrote:]
If you want an album, go BUY it, don't cheat the performer out of his hard-earned cash.
I'm sorry. I get REALLY steamed up about this. Really, REALLYquote]][/

Fljots- sounds so enthusiastic and righteous, but tell me dear-do you really think that it is a fare price to pay $16.99 for a CD? How much the performer gets? how much the seller? How much the company gets? Do you know?
I've never gotten any of my CD's other then buying at the store, but now, after your steaming steams, I am starting to reconsider my position on this subject- because I do hate that statement [size=9] hard-earned cash in this particular case. Hard- earned cash Usually stands for people who work on the fields for your daily bread and milk, for the veggies on your table, for the roof over your head so it does not leak, for the roads you can drive safely, for the people who would attend to you day or night, if you are in trouble, so please, let your steam off a bit, it could blow you into nonsense.[/size]

My dear, I don't give a damn how 'FAIR' the price is. That isn't the POINT. The POINT is, IF PEOPLE DON'T BUY it, but download it for free, they CHEAT THE ARTIST out of his royalties. Sure they cheat the producing companieas as well, but so what? They work, too. And they are entitled to their profit. It pays the wages of their employees: they are cheated as well if the company can't afford to pay a decent wage because they lose income to cheats.

As for the only people who work hard being agricultural or labourers - really! You think Cohen doesn't work hard? Hasn't worked hard all his adult life? Do you think writing music and lyrics is a cinch? Sure, it may not be physical labour, but it's hard work all the same. And live performances and touring are dead easy are they? No physical labour involved at all? I doubt any singer would agree with that. And I certainly don't. You only have to watch Cohen on stage to see how much physicality is involved, and it's just as true of many singers.

And if a simple statement like 'hard-earned cash' can make you change your mind about buying legally from a store - I'm sorry, but does such a small thing really threaten to compromise your integrity? I doubt it!

bee · Post by **bee** » Sat Aug 27, 2005 3:03 am

Fljots- you talk too much.

Fljotsdale · Post by **Fljotsdale** » Sat Aug 27, 2005 3:06 am

I know, dear.

Been one of my faults since old age set in.

Tri-me · Post by **Tri-me** » Sat Aug 27, 2005 3:25 am

Fljotsdale I agree with you and talk all you want, you have a lovely accent.
Bee I send you smiles

does that irritate you?

Fljotsdale · Post by **Fljotsdale** » Sat Aug 27, 2005 3:33 am

Nobody stopped me talking yet, when I have a 'bee in my bonnet', Tri-me.

lizzytysh · Post by **lizzytysh** » Sat Aug 27, 2005 4:07 am

I agree with you, too, Fljotsdale ~ particularly, your outlining of what constitutes hard work in Leonard's [as well as other singers'/performers'] life. For one thing, it's why it's termed "intellectual property."

And, of course, you don't talk too much. Not at all. In fact, your response was reasonable and well-supported.

Keep on talkin'

.

~ Lizzy

Fljotsdale · Post by **Fljotsdale** » Sat Aug 27, 2005 11:44 am

Thanks, Lizzy.

Yes, I forgot to mention intellectual property. Glad you pointed it out!

The artist has a right to his royalties.

Tchocolatl · Post by **Tchocolatl** » Sat Aug 27, 2005 4:19 pm

Ln, Ln, Ln.... why everything has to turn into an argument, he? I wonder also. It is obvious that even if the craddle have been changed from a room to another, as the family is going bigger, the baby D is still in the craddle. Need us to make it eat, change the diapers, wash, etc, can't talk, just cry and smile and being loved and cherish and hope it will have a great future and a happy life.

Well, right now, just make sure that when you buy something, some percentage of the money still goes to LC.

linda_lakeside · Post by **linda_lakeside** » Sat Aug 27, 2005 4:33 pm

Yes, Tchoco, I have to agree with the sentiment expressed in your last sentence. I buy CDs rather than copy from my friends, not just for the sake of royalties, but I like to have the cover art, lyrics, the entire package.

I like your description of little Baby D. Poor thing. It doesn't matter where the family might move, they still have to nurture and love little Baby D.

Linda.

Kush · Post by **Kush** » Sat Aug 27, 2005 5:42 pm

By the way, We don't have censorship or PG ratings here in Greece.
And our children turn out fine...

Do Greeks also teach their kids to be arrogant and to denigrate other nations and peoples in public?

Jinx · Post by **Jinx** » Sun Aug 28, 2005 3:59 am

What a thing to say...
I certaintly am not arrogant and my intention was not to insult anyone's nation...

I' m just expressing the opinion that censorship is wrong and that when a country says "they are the land of the free" and that they have "free speech" when advocating the strictest censorship policies... Well that's an oxymoron...

If you felt insulted I do not apologise because that was not my intention.

And Greg I can't understand what you are talking about... There is no such thing as a Macedonian language, unless of course you are reffering to the ancient greek dialect in which case I can assure you that not only it is not forbidden but it is also taught at highschool...