A 'devastated' Leonard Cohen

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Tchocolatl
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LaurieAK wrote:
Really good idea guys.
Thanks. I thought so too, that's why I mentioned it. :shock:

Anybody have connections in the biz?

I saw that Bono is w/Interscope. Seems like he would be that kind of guy to get something like this off the ground...

Laurie
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Sorry, but I had to put this 'cause I hate to see a pair of big eyes looking in the void in vain. It makes me feel a kind of pity for the vacuum. Now that there is an intelligible purpose for this I feel the balance of the thread is reestablished.

A little.

Thinking about it twice, I prefer that he struggles to get out of his financial difficulties by himself. The produce risks to be much more interesting than what other could do.
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Post by Tchocolatl »

Lz, please (arhg, this awfull sounds!!!) :D the word is between quotations marks, which means that what is meant, it is all the contrary. Look carefully. :)

Yep Fljotsdale! I second! :D

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Just before going : a little exorcise of any trace of bad spirits that can interfere with saine communication :wink:
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Post by lizzytysh »

What am I missing, Tchoc? What word is between quotation marks?

Actually, quotation marks should indicate a direct quote [similarity in those two words, eh :wink: ?]. Whatever the punctuation mark is called when an apostrophe is used on either side of a word can mean an approximation of the word that's set off in that manner; or, I guess could also be used to imply its opposite. Now, what word is it that you're referring to?

Thanks.

[Tee-Hee ~ I like your exorcism emoticon :lol: .]

As for me, truly, as I think about it, I want for Leonard to deal with this in whatever way he feels is best. He's not taking it lightly, and is giving it every, serious consideration. In that process, I have faith.

~ Lizzy
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Post by Fljotsdale »

I feel this calls for a new sig...

Why do you stand by the window,
Abandoned to beauty and pride?
The thorn of the night in your bosom,
The spear of the age in your side;
Lost in the rages of fragrance,
Lost in the rags of remorse,
Lost in the waves of a sickness that loosens the high silver nerves.
O chosen love, O frozen love, O tangle of matter and ghost. O darling of angels, demons and saints and the whole broken-hearted host - Gentle this soul.
Only just found this video of LC:
http://ca.youtube.com/user/leonardcohen?ob=4" target="_blank

This one does make me cry.
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Post by Tchocolatl »

Thanks, you Lz. :) (as the father, the daughter, he?) :wink: I used an incorrect direct translation of "entre guillemets" (wich are used in the same way of your two apostrophes) even if those apostrophes were right in front of my eyes. Tks tks :roll:

"Now, what word is it that you're referring to?" Just in case you are not kidding me : in the title of the thread. Of course. 8)

Oh! I like this song so very much! :D Yes, it is the song of the circumstance :D
So beautiful. And I like the picture of him through this window also. :)
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Post by Fljotsdale »

Yes, it's called The Window (as you know).

Of all my Cohen discs, I have only found it on 'Field Commander Cohen', which is live recordings. I love it.

I have 13 discs, but probably I am missing some.
Only just found this video of LC:
http://ca.youtube.com/user/leonardcohen?ob=4" target="_blank

This one does make me cry.
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Post by Fljotsdale »

The worst thing, of course, is not the money - it's the fact that he was betrayed by close, trusted friends.

There can be nothing so heart-wrenchingly hurtful.
Only just found this video of LC:
http://ca.youtube.com/user/leonardcohen?ob=4" target="_blank

This one does make me cry.
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Post by Diane »

"Gentle this soul" are very beautiful words of Leonard's, Fljotsdale, and here, under such a title, is a good place to read them.
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I stole from her because she is rich
I stole from him because he was rude to me
I stole from them because they betrayed me
I steal because I feel I deserve more.

Yeah, stealing is wrong and cannot be justified. I wish him well and am sick that people could be such low lifes as to steal from someone who trusted them.

Om Mani Padme Hum 108X
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"Doorhinge rhymes with orange" Leonard Cohen
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Thanks to Anne for the scans. These are some of the photos in the new Macleans issue.

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Post by rickmond »

i lurk these boards periodically and have been a longtime fan of mr. cohen. the news of his legal troubles devastates me as well, and i would love to help him out in any way possible, since he has given us, his fans, so much through his music. whether there be a nice benefit concert or even if we could just give him donations... anyone have any ideas? i'll check back to see what's going on...
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Hasn't anyone learnt from Toni Braxton?

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I don't know if any of you are old enough to remember the Toni Braxton case more than ten years ago where she went bankrupt and was forced to sell everything she had, including her precious Grammy Awards. Braxton's demise was the result of carelessness with her accounts and authorising third parties to sign her cheques. She struggled for years to get back where she is today. I thought that she was the first and last example.

I love Leonard and his work dearly, and it pains me to think that after more than 50 years of hard work, he now has to face this degree of stress in what would ordinarily be his twilight years. I'm absorbing and processing all the information I get, but we as outsiders only know what the media wants to tell us. We don't really know who is responsible really, but it is almost certain that wrong moves were made on both sides. I think bad move no. 1 was Leonard's seclusion for years at that monastery, leaving employees to "mind the store" for him. His financial people, legal people and others must have seen that as a green light to take advantage, and must have been doing so for years before it finally caught up to him.

The poor man is TOO OLD for this amount of stress, I fear for his life. Those merciless wolves are trying to kill him, and they are after his soul first.

"Leonard, I don't know the full story, only God knows the truth, but be strong now. Your family, friends, lovers and fans will give you strength. We need you and we will be waiting on the other side of the tunnel when you emerge triumphant."
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Post by Fljotsdale »

The only mistake he made, imo, was letting friends look after his business interests. Much wiser - a likely cheaper in the long run - to have given it into the hands of professionals. If they had robbed him, at least it wouldn't have hurt so much as his 'friends' doing so.

He trusted them. They were friends.

How could they do it? Like kicking your pet puppy, or stealing candy from your own baby.
Only just found this video of LC:
http://ca.youtube.com/user/leonardcohen?ob=4" target="_blank

This one does make me cry.
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Post by JudithR »

hmmm.
that´s gruesome news indeed.
been pondering about it all day long, too.
and keep asking myself wether it be possible he might be in need of some
assistance.
or if not exactly in need of, perhaps still could at least make use of any.
i mean - even to properly keep up working at his current projects, let alone set up and run a tour, there should be some bucks at hand, now shouldn´t they?

he sure is right, he´ll certainly make it to re-down his nest sooner or
later anyway.
but can´t we try think of some strategies how to help a little?
call me naive, but considering that he is just one and we are so many...
there should be some smart ideas, if only we got hold of them. (?)

1st thought which comes to my mind is - are there any such things in the
U.S. like non-profit oganisations (societies, associations, whatevers...)
which´s declared aims, statutes and articles make them be entitled of full
tax exemption?
i know that there are quite a lot of such "clubs" in some european countries. charitable assosiations, religious circles of whatever coleur, self-help groups, etc.

so IF such "tax-shelters" generally can be set up in the U.S. as well,
wouldn´t it be a considerable strategy to set the U.S. lawyers amongst us onto it = to have them squeeze their commercial law collegues for all the information we´d need, to found such an organisation, too?

i know that in parts of europe such congregations pretty often are nothing else than neatly shrouded money-making / money-washing machines, whose heads nonetheless succeed to hold ground against every - no matter how cunning - tax investigator they meet, and who milk their clueless members until their udders wrinkle...

so if this even works for bogus sheperds who exploit "their" cattle despite
of feeding them nothing than blatant lies - shouldn´t it be possible to
embrace the same concept to set up something useful, expecially if there be cattle which downright begs to be milked a bit?

sadly i´m neither an economist nor a lawyer and worse - have no idea bout U.S. laws whatsoever.
so my idea might be totally worthless.
yet if it at least might serve to inspire any of you more learned ppl. to a
practicable different plan, do count me in by all means!

according to those above mentioned european laws - at least to my knowledge - it would be required to have the non-profit organisation start out with a minimum of 40 founder members.
if parts of them turn tail after their club be properly registered, no
damage whatsoever.
the society still remains entitled to tax exemption...
all they need do in the forefront is, to satisfactorily show how beneficiary
their aims are to manhood (or even to just parts of it), how
non-profit-headed they are, etc.

so if there are similar corporate systems in the U.S., can´t we for instance
found kind of a self-help society of ... xyz
f.i. why not saddle those ridiculous but widely accepted clichees about Cohen-Fans and declare ourselves to be something like "melancholy persons who for their health of mood depend on their poet to live decently well". :wink:
(to be shaped into some catchy slogan, of course...)

if this be molded into neat and weatherproof society statutes, it should
offer a glorious range to financially maneuvre.
it could collect money which leonard could use - be it to cover spendings
for a possibly pending tour as well as costs of this current lawsuit, etc.

if european and U.S laws don´t differ all too badly on this, we´d even be
entitled to officially hand out receipts of donations to charity for every $
we´d receive. after all every donation would greatly help to guarantee our
own needy health of mood... :twisted:

PLUS it´d downright oblige leonard to make thorough use of the donations
account, after all he´d hardly wish to drive his everso fragile-minded fans
into darkness of mood, now would he? 8)

well - i shall leave it at that for now.
just meant to put in my 2 cents to the calamity.
as i said above - if what i suggested ain´t practicable in the U.S. or no
good idea by any other reasons, just ignore it, but then let´s at least
think over, if there be anything else we could do...

i for one owe leonard lots, as without him and his books and songs there´s severe reason to doubt wether I had not committed suicide latest some 30 yrs ago or so….

and i kind of trust, by far not to be the only one around to who his work served as such a lifeline...
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Post by Fljotsdale »

Can this message board at the very least send Leonard an e-mail or letter to let him know we all care very much and are wishing to help?
Only just found this video of LC:
http://ca.youtube.com/user/leonardcohen?ob=4" target="_blank

This one does make me cry.
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