Live in Dublin Sound

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Re: Live in Dublin Sound

Postby icecreamtruck » Wed Nov 19, 2014 6:31 pm

Yes it sounds like they have fixed it. It now is by far the best of the live recordings.

What bothers me is that they have taken action without admitting that anything was wrong. They either provided the wrong audio or they have remixed it.
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Re: Live in Dublin Sound

Postby Vicomte » Wed Nov 19, 2014 7:54 pm

Mabeanie1 wrote:
Geoff wrote:Comparing the iTunes clips available for Everybody Knows on Live In London with the new one on Live In Dublin, the Dublin version certainly sounds very flat with little ambience. Let's hope it's not a true reflection of the sound but there's no reason to think it's not.

I recall some people who were at the Dublin concerts writing that there was a lot of audience 'interaction'. I wonder if this very close flat sound was the only way of excluding some of that ambient noise if it was too distracting.
I don't want to prejudge the DVD but I did watch the So Long Marianne clip from the link hansr posted. I was astonished - I couldn't hear ANY audience singing at all and I know FOR A FACT that the audience were singing at the top of the voices. I think you may be right Geoff as the audience appears to have been cut out completely. A great shame, if true, because that's what makes the atmosphere on a great night and it goes to the very heart of why Leonard loves performing in Dublin so much.

Not long to wait now till we find out for sure.

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I am on record elsewhere and saying that I don't go for a karaoke type night, I go to see the artist sing and listen to their words. There are many solo artists who like the audience to sing almost through the gig. Having said all that, it has come to pass that "So long Marianne" is now a jolly sing along and I have to admit that I have absolutely nothing against that BUT it is so bluddy annoying when people around me appear to think they have the same "golden voice" as Leonard during many of the songs, when all I (and I can but assume others as well) want to do is listen to Leonard, the band and what they have to deliver. Again I will add there are one or two other numbers that now have the trademark sing along, usually during the encores and again, it does tend to finish a good evening off.

It is of course just my personal opinion but I do really hope that the 3 x CD's at least keeps most of the screaming and oohs and aahs off the recordings. Hard to know what Sony believe is best for the DVD.....After all you can buy the Osmonds old DVD's and see audience participation done a lot better :lol:
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Re: Live in Dublin Sound

Postby Cheshire gal » Thu Nov 20, 2014 5:46 am

If the mix has been somewhat corrected on iTunes now, what is happening to all of the original DVD's which are, no doubt in warehouses ready to be dispensed for pre-orders? I would imagine these are pressed way in advance. Maybe this was not the best concert to be chosen given all the background noise.
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Re: Live in Dublin Sound

Postby jerry » Thu Nov 20, 2014 6:09 am

Cheshire gal wrote:If the mix has been somewhat corrected on iTunes now, what is happening to all of the original DVD's which are, no doubt in warehouses ready to be dispensed for pre-orders? I would imagine these are pressed way in advance. Maybe this was not the best concert to be chosen given all the background noise.
Good point. I'm holding off until I see some reviews and customer comments. If everything is good then I'll order.
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Re: Live in Dublin Sound

Postby MarieM » Thu Nov 20, 2014 8:27 am

jarkko wrote:Don't worry guys.
You have only watched a low resolution promotional clip. It cannot be compared with the final product.
I told Ed Sanders about your worries, and he said:
I think that it must be an itunes (low resolution) problem!! It all sounds great (to me and others who have heard it!) on the CD and DVD. I think people might want to wait for the real thing!
As Jarkko has previously said there is nothing wrong with the mix on the CD, DVD, MP3 or Blu-ray. Even though reviewers cannot publish their reviews yet, SONY and Leonard's management have received advanced copies and all is great. Doug Heselgrave of Paste Magazine wrote a few days ago on Leonard's Facebook page:
Listening for the last few days to Leonard Cohen's newest 'Live in Dublin' Just when you thought you'd heard it all and there was nothing left to say or hear....it's gorgeous, the best yet. Live review soon. Here's the last one. Lots of the same songs with very different treatments. (Link to Songs From The Road omitted)
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Re: Live in Dublin Sound

Postby Santipab » Thu Nov 20, 2014 2:30 pm

I must say, on the iTunes samples it doesn't sound too much different to how it was before, with Live in London still having much more atmosphere and depth. Still, there's probably not much more to say about this now until the CDs are released and we see what the verdict is. I certainly hope it lives up to the expectations generated by the concerts last summer, which will live in the memory a long time.
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Re: Live in Dublin Sound

Postby harald » Thu Nov 20, 2014 2:54 pm

Vicomte wrote: I am on record elsewhere and saying that I don't go for a karaoke type night, I go to see the artist sing and listen to their words. There are many solo artists who like the audience to sing almost through the gig. Having said all that, it has come to pass that "So long Marianne" is now a jolly sing along and I have to admit that I have absolutely nothing against that BUT it is so bluddy annoying when people around me appear to think they have the same "golden voice" as Leonard during many of the songs, when all I (and I can but assume others as well) want to do is listen to Leonard, the band and what they have to deliver. Again I will add there are one or two other numbers that now have the trademark sing along, usually during the encores and again, it does tend to finish a good evening off.
Thanks, Vicomte. You expressed my feelings.
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Re: Live in Dublin Sound

Postby cohenadmirer » Thu Nov 20, 2014 10:44 pm

hansr wrote:And how do you like this?

http://www.standaard.be/cnt/dmf20141118_01381906

Greetings from Holland,

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At least for perhaps for the first time it's possible to hear what Hattie, Charlie and Sharon sounded like on the chorus of So long marianne. At every concert i've been too the audience singing contribution masked this .
However , in so far as audience recordings , especially from Dublin , might pick up perhaps too much of the audience singing along( which is great atmosphere ) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TC5xv3JKy8E
I suspect the official live in Dublin mix will include too little ( and miss much of the 'atmosphere') Viewers who didn't attend live concerts may well assume that Leonard's comment 'You sing so pretty' refers to the stage singers. True but that's not who the compliment was directed at !
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Re: Live in Dublin Sound

Postby cohenadmirer » Thu Nov 20, 2014 11:08 pm

FOXWOOD wrote:
Mabeanie1 wrote:.

I agree with Wendy . I choose to play the audience recordings because you re-live the atmosphere of the night. I have travelled to Ireland to experience the special atmosphere of the concerts there. In "So Long Marianne" Leonard would often just stand and hold his hat whist listening to the crowd singing the chorus.

Hopefully - rather than a director's commentary , there will be an option of "Full audience experience" on the dvd ! (Although I doubt it)
What a good idea !
Now that would be wonderfully innovative- and dvds can have , for sure, alternative soundtracks!
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Re: Live in Dublin Sound

Postby ilia » Fri Nov 21, 2014 2:04 am

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n2GAYDY ... MKlzjdoWuQ - Live in Dublin Trailer with signs of audience interaction.
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Re: Live in Dublin Sound

Postby Cheshire gal » Fri Nov 21, 2014 3:14 am

Thanks cohenadmirer for giving us the link from hansr. This is really the first time I have ever heard Sharon, and the Webb sisters sing on 'So Long Marianne' and it was most enjoyable. I love this video. Can really enjoy the song without the off-tune audience. Great.
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Re: Live in Dublin Sound

Postby astranger » Fri Nov 21, 2014 8:37 am

The live in Dublin trailer sounds excellent, as does Bird on the Wire
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Re: Live in Dublin Sound

Postby friscogrl » Fri Nov 21, 2014 10:22 am

I myself am disappointed that the audience singing is not included in So Long Marrianne especially since he addresses them. This is part of what makes a Dublin concert so appealing. I had actually just mentioned to a friend that I would buy Live in Dublin because of the Irish audience and their enthusiasm towards Leonard. This now makes me think twice.

I was at Coachella where Hallelujah for Songs of the road was recorded. The audience sang along with Leonard everytime he sang the chorus of Halleluah but only the very last one was included which I thought was brilliant. It was very powerful and affective. It what helps makes that rendition of this song so amazing! I think they could have something similar with So Long Marriane.

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Re: Live in Dublin Sound

Postby Mikeaus » Tue Nov 25, 2014 12:44 pm

Vicomte, it's wonderful to see that neither Leonard nor the millions of people who have had the pleasure of experiencing his concerts do not share your views. Addressing the Dublin audience at the end of that amazing concert, Leonard said "It's been a great joy for me to be united with you in the pleasure of song"

It sounds like you are the one who is out of tune!
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Re: Live in Dublin Sound

Postby Vicomte » Wed Nov 26, 2014 9:21 pm

Mikeaus wrote:Vicomte, it's wonderful to see that neither Leonard nor the millions of people who have had the pleasure of experiencing his concerts do not share your views. Addressing the Dublin audience at the end of that amazing concert, Leonard said "It's been a great joy for me to be united with you in the pleasure of song"

It sounds like you are the one who is out of tune!
Millions of people don't agree with me, care to name say just 100 people out of those millions?

There is a vast difference between being present at such a gig and quite another to sell it others on a CD who really just want to hear the songs from the wordsmith himself and of course to hear the instruments and voices of the other very serious artists. As I have stated, So Long Marianne,well OK, even the encores have an element of singalong for those who wish to join in but sorry, after almost what seems a lifetime, this is not my want from a Cohen gig. After all, how long until some audiences turn the concerts in to a congalonga Max type gig :roll:
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