Bob Dylan Awarded Nobel Prize for Literature 2016

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Re: Bob Dylan Awarded Nobel Prize for Literature 2016

Postby christineanne » Sat Oct 29, 2016 4:32 pm

From 'Private Eye' - UK satirical magazine. Issue 1430, 28 Oct to 10 Nov 2016
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Re: Bob Dylan Awarded Nobel Prize for Literature 2016

Postby Wybe » Sun Nov 06, 2016 9:39 pm

Leonard's your man: Surely Cohen is as worthy of a Nobel Prize as Dylan?

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06/11/2016 | 02:30

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Re: Bob Dylan Awarded Nobel Prize for Literature 2016

Postby douglas07 » Sat Nov 12, 2016 5:31 pm

Friends, there is an online radio-station; dylanradio.com; fans can ask for tunes there.
Yesterday it was - completely unusal - all Leonhard Cohen´s songs.
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Re: Bob Dylan Awarded Nobel Prize for Literature 2016

Postby Andrew (Darby) » Wed Nov 16, 2016 4:24 pm

Here are a couple more articles calling this decision into question:

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2016-11-11/l ... an/8019214

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2016-11-16/c ... ys/8030614

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Re: Bob Dylan Awarded Nobel Prize for Literature 2016

Postby cohenadmirer » Wed Nov 16, 2016 4:45 pm

I can't possibly know of course but I think that Dylan would have been find with Leonard getting this recognition, just as it seemed Leonard was when Dylan was awarded the prize. There was more a sense of mutual respect than competition.
It's good that Dylan made his extensive comments about Leonard while he was still alive


Dylan, who is seventy-five, doesn’t often play the role of music critic, but he proved eager to discuss Leonard Cohen. I put a series of questions to him about Number 1, and he answered in a detailed, critical way—nothing cryptic or elusive.

“When people talk about Leonard, they fail to mention his melodies, which to me, along with his lyrics, are his greatest genius,” Dylan said. “Even the counterpoint lines—they give a celestial character and melodic lift to every one of his songs. As far as I know, no one else comes close to this in modern music. Even the simplest song, like ‘The Law,’ which is structured on two fundamental chords, has counterpoint lines that are essential, and anybody who even thinks about doing this song and loves the lyrics would have to build around the counterpoint lines.


“His gift or genius is in his connection to the music of the spheres,” Dylan went on. “In the song ‘Sisters of Mercy,’ for instance, the verses are four elemental lines which change and move at predictable intervals . . . but the tune is anything but predictable. The song just comes in and states a fact. And after that anything can happen and it does, and Leonard allows it to happen. His tone is far from condescending or mocking. He is a tough-minded lover who doesn’t recognize the brush-off. Leonard’s always above it all. ‘Sisters of Mercy’ is verse after verse of four distinctive lines, in perfect meter, with no chorus, quivering with drama. The first line begins in a minor key. The second line goes from minor to major and steps up, and changes melody and variation. The third line steps up even higher than that to a different degree, and then the fourth line comes back to the beginning. This is a deceptively unusual musical theme, with or without lyrics. But it’s so subtle a listener doesn’t realize he’s been taken on a musical journey and dropped off somewhere, with or without lyrics.”

In the late eighties, Dylan performed “Hallelujah” on the road as a roughshod blues with a sly, ascending chorus. His version sounds less like the prettified Jeff Buckley version than like a work by John Lee Hooker. “That song ‘Hallelujah’ has resonance for me,” Dylan said. “There again, it’s a beautifully constructed melody that steps up, evolves, and slips back, all in quick time. But this song has a connective chorus, which when it comes in has a power all of its own. The ‘secret chord’ and the point-blank I-know-you-better-than-you-know-yourself aspect of the song has plenty of resonance for me.”

I asked Dylan whether he preferred Cohen’s later work, so colored with intimations of the end. “I like all of Leonard’s songs, early or late,” he said. “ ‘Going Home,’ ‘Show Me the Place,’ ‘The Darkness.’ These are all great songs, deep and truthful as ever and multidimensional, surprisingly melodic, and they make you think and feel. I like some of his later songs even better than his early ones. Yet there’s a simplicity to his early ones that I like, too.”

Dylan defended Cohen against the familiar critical reproach that his is music to slit your wrists by. He compared him to the Russian Jewish immigrant who wrote “Easter Parade.” “I see no disenchantment in Leonard’s lyrics at all,” Dylan said. “There’s always a direct sentiment, as if he’s holding a conversation and telling you something, him doing all the talking, but the listener keeps listening. He’s very much a descendant of Irving Berlin, maybe the only songwriter in modern history that Leonard can be directly related to. Berlin’s songs did the same thing. Berlin was also connected to some kind of celestial sphere. And, like Leonard, he probably had no classical-music training, either. Both of them just hear melodies that most of us can only strive for. Berlin’s lyrics also fell into place and consisted of half lines, full lines at surprising intervals, using simple elongated words. Both Leonard and Berlin are incredibly crafty. Leonard particularly uses chord progressions that seem classical in shape. He is a much more savvy musician than you’d think.”
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Re: Bob Dylan Awarded Nobel Prize for Literature 2016

Postby cohenadmirer » Wed Nov 16, 2016 8:55 pm

Just been announced that Dylan has decided not to attend the ceremony.
Not a surprise but a disappointment.

Can't help but imagine , had things been different , what a witty , humble and elegant acceptance speech Leonard would have made . But in the real world he wasn't awarded the prize , and he succumbed to some cruel illness.
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Re: Bob Dylan Awarded Nobel Prize for Literature 2016

Postby g.grassi » Wed Nov 16, 2016 9:16 pm

My contribution can be read/seen on this youtube page:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gdTfjO4y-EY

it's titled: Nobel Prize to Bob Dylan: literature, poetry, song; what's the difference?

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Re: Bob Dylan Awarded Nobel Prize for Literature 2016

Postby Roy » Thu Nov 17, 2016 4:28 am

Bob Dylan Won't Attend Nobel Ceremony to Accept Literature Prize
Singer-songwriter said he "wishes he could receive the prize personally, but other commitments make it unfortunately impossible"

http://www.rollingstone.com/music/news/ ... ze-w450783

It's Official: Bob Dylan Not Going to Sweden for Nobel Ceremony (But Prize Is Still His)

http://www.billboard.com/articles/colum ... -stockholm
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Re: Bob Dylan Awarded Nobel Prize for Literature 2016

Postby cohenadmirer » Sun Dec 11, 2016 1:16 am

Bob Dylan was absent at the nobel ceremony , but sent a pretty good speech which was read out by the US anbassador to Sweden.

http://www.rollingstone.com/music/news/ ... ch-w455059
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Re: Bob Dylan Awarded Nobel Prize for Literature 2016

Postby Roy » Mon Dec 12, 2016 11:30 am

Read Bob Dylan's Nobel Prize in Literature Banquet Speech
"Kipling, Shaw, Thomas Mann, Pearl Buck, Albert Camus, Hemingway... That I now join the names on such a list is truly beyond words," singer writes
http://www.rollingstone.com/music/news/ ... ch-w455059

Read Bob Dylan's Nobel Prize Acceptance Speech in Full
http://www.billboard.com/articles/colum ... ize-speech
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Re: Bob Dylan Awarded Nobel Prize for Literature 2016

Postby Goldin » Thu Jun 15, 2017 12:29 pm

What a twist:

Did the singer-songwriter take portions of his Nobel lecture from SparkNotes?
by Andrea Pitzer @ Slate
http://www.slate.com/articles/arts/cult ... cture.html
78 sentences appear in the Moby-Dick portion of Dylan's talk.
At least 20 sentences bear some similarity to passages from SparkNotes.
(...)
It's worth mentioning that Dylan turned in his lecture just before the six-month deadline, ensuring that he would get paid.
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