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The 2009 Rock and Roll Hall of Fame Nominees:

Official Press Release
http://www.rockhall.com/pressroom/nomin ... induction/

http://www.rockhall.com/induction2009

http://www.futurerockhall.com/2009_Nominees.php

War
Chic
RUN-DMC
Jeff Beck
Metallica
The Stooges
Bobby Womack
Wanda Jackson
Little Anthony and the Imperials


The 2009 Rock and Roll Hall of Fame Nominees were announced on September 22nd. For the third consecutive year, only nine nominees were named, and of those, five will be inducted.
Cast your 2009 ballot here!

Here are your official 2009 Rock and Roll Hall of Fame Nominees (all quotes from the official press release):

Metallica | "Rising from the Los Angeles metal underground in the early 1980s, Metallica quickly rose to become the most successful and acclaimed heavy metal band of their era - a position they’ve consistently held for over a quarter century. Founded by vocalist James Hetfield and drummer Lars Ulrich, the group discovered a potent formula by combining the thrash metal of Motorhead with the industrial sound of Killing Joke. By the late 1980s, mainstream tastes were shifting over to metal and Metallica found themselves with a string of hit singles and sold-out stadiums across the globe. This month the band released Death Magnetic, a metal tour de force in the same vein as their landmark 1980s work."
Current Induction Chances: 89%


Run-DMC | "More than any other act, Run-D.M.C. took hip-hop from the streets of New York to the national stage. The group gets deserved credit for its combinations of rock and rap from their early use of guitars on tracks such as "Rock Box" to their ground-breaking collaboration with Aerosmith on their 1986 cover of "Walk this Way." But even more important was how Run-D.M.C and the late Jam Master Jay set the template for modern hip-hop, from their everyday-teenager style to their blazing live shows to a catalogue of classic songs that few rappers have matched: "It’s Tricky," "My Adidas," "Peter Piper," "It’s Like That," "Sucker MC’s" and many more."
Current Induction Chances: 63%


The Stooges | "The "Big Bang" that became punk, alternative, heavy metal, new wave, grunge, hardcore and industrial music, could very well have been the advent of Iggy and the Stooges in Ann Arbor in the late 1960’s. Immediately embraced in New York, London and Los Angeles for the nuclear-powered simplicity of their music, the ironic nihilism of their lyrics, and the persona of Iggy himself, the Stooges have become icons in the history of modern music. And if there is a national anthem for the far side (the underside?) of our rock and roll universe, it is certainly 'I Wanna Be Your Dog.'"
Current Induction Chances: 73%


Jeff Beck | "One of the most influential guitarists in rock and roll, Jeff Beck, was inducted into the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame in 1992, as a member of the Yardbirds. After his 18-month stint (1965-66) in that band, he formed the first edition of the Jeff Beck Group (1968-69, with Rod Stewart and Ron Wood). In the four decades since, Beck’s work has encompassed deep explorations into instrumental jazz fusion, blues, a tribute to Gene Vincent, and much more, always underpinned by his hard-rock roots."
Current Induction Chances: 63%


Chic | "Chic’s founding partnership of songwriter-producers Nile Rodgers (guitar) and Bernard Edwards (bass), abetted by future Power Station drummer Tony Thompson, rescued disco in 1977 with a combination of groove, soul and studio smarts. With their out-of-the-box chart smashes "Dance, Dance, Dance (Yowsah, Yowsah, Yowsah)" and "Le Freak," Chic raised the bar and hooked a generation. Since then, artists such as Sugar Hill Gang and Diddy have turned to Chic for beats and samples. Rodgers and Edwards (before his death in 1996) followed their five years in Chic with careers as top-flight producers for an A-list of megastars."
Current Induction Chances: 53%


Wanda Jackson | "When Elvis Presley sang "wear my ring around your neck" – it was Wanda Jackson’s neck. And she still has the ring. The "First Lady of Rock and Roll" started recording in 1954, and was 18 when she graduated high school and played her first package tour with Elvis in 1955. He convinced her that rock and roll was the way, and she grabbed onto the rhythm like a dynamo. Wanda had the respect of Gene Vincent, Carl Perkins, Jerry Lee Lewis, Johnny Cash, and every musician who ever shared the stage with the "Queen Of Rockabilly." A perennial star on tour in Europe and Japan, Wanda’s career revived back home in the ’90s, thanks to true believers like Elvis Costello."
Current Induction Chances: 32%


War | "The six founding members of War – the late Papa Dee Allen and Charles Miller, survivors Harold Brown, B.B. Dickerson, Lonnie Jordan, and Howard Scott – were gigging around L.A. for nearly a decade before hooking up with Eric Burdon (ex-Animals) and Danish harmonica player Lee Oskar in 1969. Burdon and producer Jerry Goldstein named them War and they backed it up with a steamy Afro-Latin R&B groove that rocked their debut hit “Spill The Wine.” Less than two years later, Burdon dropped out and War went their own way in 1971. A long string of Top 10 pop/R&B crossover hits established War’s status through the ’70s, always with a social message grounded by their distinctively breezy Southern California vibe."
Current Induction Chances: 55%


Little Anthony and the Imperials | "After singing in high school doo-wop groups, Fort Greene, Brooklyn’s Jerome Anthony Gourdine joined a quartet called the Chesters, which included tenor Ernest Wright, Jr. and baritone Clarence Collins. The fivesome signed to George Goldner’s End Records in 1958 as the Imperials featuring Little Anthony. His boyish vocal (redolent of Frankie Lymon) clicked with "Tears On My Pillow" and "Shimmy, Shimmy, Ko-Ko-Bop," boosted by one of the most energetic stage shows around. Other hits included "I’m on the Outside (Looking In)," "Goin’ Out of My Head," and "Hurt So Bad" that forever immortalized Little Anthony and the Imperials."
Current Induction Chances: 42%


Bobby Womack | "In a class with Sam Cooke and James Brown, his two older mentors, Bobby Womack’s career spans over 55 years, back to sibling group the Womack Brothers. Cooke signed and renamed them the Valentinos, whose first two Womack-penned R&B hits became signatures for the Rolling Stones (“It’s All Over Now,” their first #1 UK hit) and J. Geils Band (“Lookin’ For A Love”). Womack is a triple-threat: prolific solo artist, landmark session guitarist (Sam Cooke At the Copa, Aretha Now, Lady Soul, Elvis Presley’s “Suspicious Minds,” Sly’s There’s A Riot Goin’ On, the Rolling Stones’ “Harlem Shuffle,” and many more), and master songwriter (Aretha’s “Chain Of Fools,” Wilson Picket’s “I’m a Midnight Mover,” Janis Joplin’s “Trust Me,” and countless others."
Current Induction Chances: 33%


The only newly eligible artist to be nominated this year is Run-DMC, leaving Stevie Ray Vaughan fans wondering what happened.

Metallica, snubbed in their first year of eligibility in 2008, make the ballot this time and have to be considered a front runner for induction.

The Stooges are back on the ballot for the seventh time after they were given a year off last year.

Jeff Beck fills the guitar hero slot on the ballot, receiving his first nomination as a solo artist after 16 years of eligibility.

Chic is nominated for the fourth straight year, and the fifth time overall.

Wanda Jackson receives her second nomination after a vigorous campaign was waged this year to get her inducted. One of her notable advocates is Elvis Costello.

War have been eligible since 1996, but this is their first time being nominated.

Little Anthony and the Imperials have been eligible since the Rock Hall was conceived, but have just now made the list of finalsts.

Finally, eligible since 1992, Bobby Womack is the sixth first-time nominee this year.

What does this list tell us about the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame Nominating Committee? For one thing, they don't stray from the list of artists who have previously been considered in past years. Every nominee this year is represented on that list, except for Run-DMC since this is the first year they could have been discussed.

So who got snubbed? The only repeat nominee from the 2008 ballot is Chic. The Beastie Boys, Afrika Bambaataa, and Donna Summer didn't make the cut this year. Of the newly eligible artists, Stevie Ray Vaughan, Bon Jovi, and the Smiths are notable snubs. For Future Rock Hall's 2009 predictions, check here.


THE ROCK AND ROLL HALL OF FAME INDUCTEES; THE YEAR BEFORE AND THE YEAR AFTER LEONARD COHEN WAS INDUCTED!

2007 INDUCTEES
Grandmaster Flash and the Furious Five
Patti Smith
R.E.M.
The Ronettes
Van Halen

2008 INDUCTEES
John Mellencamp
Leonard Cohen
Madonna
The Dave Clark Five
The Ventures
Little Walter
Kenny Gamble
Leon Huff

2009 NOMINEES
Jeff Beck
Chic
Wanda Jackson
Little Anthony and the Imperials
Metallica
RUN-DMC
The Stooges
War
Bobby Womack
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THE 2007, 2008, 2009 ROCK AND ROLL HALL OF FAME INDUCTEES CONNECTIONS TO LEONARD COHEN!:

01. The Ronettes, who were inducted in 2007, and Leonard Cohen, who was inducted in 2008, have both worked with producer Phil Spector.

02. Patti Smith, who was inducted in 2007, is a fan of Leonard Cohen's music. Patti Smith has been to the Chelsea Hotel.

03. R.E.M., who was inducted in 2007, performed Leonard Cohen's "First We Take Manhatten" on the 1991 Leonard Cohen tribute album, I'm Your Fan. R.E.M. is also mentioned in Leonard Cohen's Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame biography and his Canadian Songwriters Hall of Fame biography.

04. The Dave Clark Five and Leonard Cohen both have songs called "Everybody Knows." The Dave Clark Five have two of them!: Everybody Knows and Everybody Knows (I Still Love You).

05. The Stooges performed for Madonna at the 2008 Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame Induction Ceremony. Leonard Cohen watched. Iggy Pop and Leonard Cohen hung out in the studio and talked recently. More info here: viewtopic.php?f=5&t=11967
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From The Digital Dream Door
http://digitaldreamdoor.nutsie.com/page ... 9-nom.html

The Digital Dream Door website lists the qualifications of eligible artists for the Rock Hall into 10 categories.

QUALIFICATIONS (on a scale of 1-10)

1 - Non-existant
2 - Mostly Insignificant
3 - Recognizable, But Minor Artist
4 - Modest Accomplishments
5 - Worth Examining, But Will Often Fall Short
6 - Strong Case To Be Made
7 - Solid Choice
8 - Unquestioned Credentials
9 - Dominant Artist
10 - The Immortals

THE 2009 ROCK AND ROLL HALL OF FAME NOMINEES

OVERVIEW

Highlighted by two of the giants of their respective styles, Run-D.M.C. and Metallica, the only two first time eligible artists to be nominated this year, the 2009 Rock 'n' Roll Hall Of Fame ballot is a mixed bag of talent, the diversity of which shows off the broad scope of the genre over the six decades of rock's existence. Three of the artists have been nominated before, with Chic making the final cut in each of the past three years as well as 2003 without breaking through thus far. The Stooges have four previous nominations as well, though none since 2005, while that same year was the only previous nomination Wanda Jackson received. The remaining four artists, Bobby Womack, Little Anthony & The Imperials, War and Jeff Beck, have all been eligible for some time but had never made the ballot until now. Among the more inexplicable ommissions from consideration are the Beastie Boys, who were among the finalists last year, and Janet Jackson, who has yet to be nominated in the two years she's been eligible.

Despite these shortcomings the breadth of the artists to be voted on is actually fairly good this year both in terms of covering all eras, with artists who began as early as the mid-50's alongside those who got their starts in mid-80's, with all eras in between represented equally, as well as presenting artists from a wide array of rock styles (rockabilly, doo-wop, soul, punk, funk, instrumental, disco, metal and hip-hop), showing virtually the full scope of rock 'n' roll music.

Unfortunately, the Rock 'n' Roll Hall Of Fame seems to have settled on the nine nominee/five inductee main performers model of the past two elections, something done no doubt to ensure consistency from year to year as well as not allowing ten or more inductees as in the past in efforts to keep the Hall from being watered down. But with just a few tweaks they could still achieve those goals while giving more artists a chance to be evaluated by the voters as well as offering evidence to disgruntled observers that all areas of music were being seriously considered.

As recently as 2006 fifteen artists were nominated and in the past it wasn't uncommon to have 30-40 nominees a year and while that didn't necessarily ensure a better inductee class it did allow for more areas of rock to be given consideration. A reasonable adjustment to the current method to achieve the kind of historical diversity on the ballot that made rock 'n' roll such a universal language to begin with would be for fifteen artists each year to get nominated, something that would greatly expand interest among audiences and commentators. Those getting ballots would be able to vote for as many as seven candidates and the highest five finishers would be automatically inducted, regardless of their total percentage of votes. Should any other artist receive over fifty percent of the vote but still finish outside the Top Five they'd make it as well. This plan would ensure that at least five inductees got in each year, as happens now, but would also keep open the possibility for six or even seven inductees. Additionally any artist with over 40% of the vote would automatically make the ballot the following year without having to go through the nominating process again.

Considering that certain key areas of rock continue to be overlooked, from the early 50's pre-integration era to funk to prog to disco, with more recently eligible metal and hip-hop still lagging behind in attention from the nominating committee and the voters, the expanded ranks of nominees would be a step in the right direction towards addressing this disparity. The total number of inductees would remain relatively unchanged, but the total nominees, and thus the interest surrounding the process, would greatly increase, which is to both the Rock 'n' Roll Hall Of Fame's benefit as well as the benefit of artists and the history of the music itself.

THE NOMINEES

Jeff Beck - Qualifications: 6 - Strong Case To Be Made

One of rock's greatest guitarists but his odd-career has left him without an easily definable role for which to be inducted and not surprisingly he's never gotten as much as a nomination until now. Beck technically made it already as a Yardbird but his career on its own has been marked by constantly changing groups with which he's surrounded himself, none of which were significant enough to warrant induction. The most promising of those, the Jeff Beck Group, had Rod Stewart as the frontman and identifiable figure. Though Beck is as respected as anyone in the industry on guitar, his role has always been in the background which is why it probably would've made more sense to induct him as a sideman. However he's on the ballot as a Main Performer and while he has enough output under his own name to be considered, the achievements are slightly lacking compared to others on the ballot, even though the talent can stand with anyone.

Chic - Qualifications: 7 - Solid Choice

The fifth nomination overall, and fourth year in a row they've gotten one, for the top disco outfit of the late 70's and early 80's whose musicianship far outweighed all their competitors at the time. Featuring three of the best instrumentalists collected in one group in rock history, Nile Rodgers on guitar, Bernard Edwards on bass and Tony Thompson on drums, Chic scored two #1 hits while Rodgers and Edwards simultaneously wrote and produced countless hits for others over the years. Their credentials are unquestionably solid and surpass many from that era who've already gotten in, but the anti-disco feeling that permeates the mind of the public and critics alike has been enough to keep them out so far. With their repeated appearances on the ballot though the momentum may build and they could take advantage of some lesser competition this year to finally get their due.

Wanda Jackson - Qualifications: 5 - Worth Examining, But Will Often Fall Short

A sentimental choice for many as Jackson was the first white female to make a mark in rock 'n' roll and her early rockabilly sides are considered excellent, though both those records and Jackson herself were hardly known in mainstream circles during her heyday. However her supposed groundbreaking credentials are tempered by the fact there were dozens of non-caucasion female performers in rock before her and their success was far greater than Jackson's, who had just one minor hit with a rock 'n' roll song before turning her full attention to country music. The fact she briefly dated Elvis Presley gives her some cultural cache but the achievements on which induction should always be based don't add up for her.

Little Anthony & The Imperials - Qualifications: 6 - Strong Case To Be Made

One of rock's longer lasting vocal groups who changed with the times and found success during multiple stylistic periods giving them appeal to fans of two distinctly different eras. They first exploded on the scene in 1958 with the doo-wop classic "Tears On My Pillow" and were considered among the finest groups of that time. When changing trends left the street corner sound behind or relegated it to nostalgia the group re-emerged again in the mid-60's with a string of huge hits in the uptown soul vein including "Hurt So Bad" and "Goin Out Of My Head", a song which has become something of a rock standard. Throughout it all the inimitable voice of Anthony Gourdine has given them a distinct sound and longevity many of their contemporaries lack.

Metallica - Qualifications: 8 - Unquestioned Credentials

Only the originators of heavy metal itself, Black Sabbath, can challenge Metallica as the style's most acclaimed artist over the years. More than any other group they brought speed metal into the forefront throughout the 80's bringing the style from a niche core audience to the mainstream without sacrificing its edge and in the process even raising the bar on its musicality. By the 90's they were one of the top selling and respected artists in rock regardless of subgenre, having fully crossed over like no other metal act before or since. They possess the kind of popularity, influence and impact that should make them a near automatic choice for voters in their first year of eligibility.

Run-D.M.C. - Qualifications: 10 - The Immortals

The most important hip-hop artists in rock history and among the most influential in any style of rock 'n' roll since its inception. In the mid-80's the trio provided the form with the musical and cultural breakthroughs it needed to become entrenched as the dominant music of its era, scoring unprecedented mainstream success at the time for rap artists. In addition their look fueled the entire marriage of fashion and hip-hop which continues to this day and their rapping style, heavy on the beats, with metal guitar and with less of a party flavor than had been prominent prior to their arrival, was among the most influential of all-time. A mandatory selection.

The Stooges - Qualifications: 6 - Strong Case To Be Made

With the induction of the Sex Pistols, a much shorter lived less musically inclined group, the door to the Hall opened wider for the Stooges. Being present at the early breakthrough of punk starting in the late 60's helps their credentials too and certainly there aren't many remaining figures in rock 'n' roll as iconic as Iggy Pop. Their controversial performing influence offsets their relative lack of popularity and few groups with their limited crossover success are as recognized or have the kind of lasting image as the Stooges. For those reasons they seem like solid bets, even if their credentials may be slightly lacking against some of the competition they're up against this year.

War - Qualifications: 7 - Solid Choice

Funk has never gotten its due from the Rock 'n' Roll Hall Of Fame outside of the usual suspects despite it being the most influential form of black rock since the 50's. Part of that may be due to the voting body's apparent lack of interest in styles outside the white middle ground but War, an interracial group that began their career by backing ex-Animal Eric Burdon, might present a more comfortable choice for many. Following Burdon's departure the group became consistent hit makers in both singles and albums showing a strong social conscious while retaining deep grooves and humor throughout their career. Few artists of the 70's had such distinct appeal to the varied musical markets as they did, white rock stations, black funk outlets and Latin communities all claimed War as their own and they seemed to be a sure bet for induction long before this.

Bobby Womack - Qualifications: 8 - Unquestioned Credentials

Another multi-talented artist who could conceivably make the Hall Of Fame separately as a writer, sideman and main performer, the latter being where he is clearly most deserving. Womack began with his brothers in a gospel group discovered by Sam Cooke, then turned to secular recordings with them as The Valentinos, scoring a hit with his original version of "It's All Over Now", which the Rolling Stones made even more famous. Following Cooke's murder however Womack drew the scorn of the music community by marrying his mentor's widow shortly thereafter and for years after that his career was limited to writing hits for others, notably Wilson Pickett and Aretha Franklin, and playing guitar on various sessions, including Sly & The Family Stone. Finally by the 70's Womack emerged as a star in his own right and scored a string of hits that lasted well into the 80's and made him among the most respected all-around music figures in rock.

AN OPEN PLEA FOR PROPER RECOGNITION IN OTHER CATEGORIES

The Hall Of Fame uses different procedures to induct Early Influences, Sidemen and Non-Performers and therefore the inductees in those categories are not announced until the Main Performers have been voted on. This method was enacted supposedly to make for more informed choices in areas outside mainstream familiarity but just the opposite has happened as these categories have become marked by cronyism, ineptitude and a total lack of historical awareness of just where rock 'n' roll emerged from.

Most distressing among these is the utter neglect of the true Early Influences, a trend that started with the very first year of inductees back in 1986 and hasn't shown any improvement in the years since. Wynonie Harris, Roy Brown, The Ravens, Big Jay McNeely and Sister Rosetta Tharpe are among the most crucial builders of rock 'n' roll and none have been inducted yet while such artists as Nat Cole, Billie Holiday and Pete Seeger who had negligible effect on rock's early emergence have all gotten in because they're bigger names. This category has not had anyone inducted in years and there is a plethora of long overdue acts who should be looked at this year.

The Hall has also been myopic in the Non-Performer category for ignoring the types of behind the scenes figures who's talents are evident to anyone who's listened to rock but because they are not traditional power brokers they have little chance of recognition. Cosimo Matassa, Tom Dowd, Jesse Stone, George Goldner and DJ Kool Herc are foremost among those who haven't been given their due.

Further shame is due the Hall for failing to induct eligible and qualified people while they are still alive to receive the honor in person. Just this past year the legendary Ira Tucker, who sang with the Dixie Hummingbirds for a remarkable 70 years, a gospel group with tremendous influence on the birth of rock, Bobby Byrd, who was James Brown's most reliable and integral sideman for decades, Jordanaires' bass singer Hugh Jarrett, who sang behind Elvis Presley and Ricky Nelson on most of their hits, and omnipresent west coast engineer Larry Levine, all died without having the chance to see their names go in the Hall. Each of these figures were well-deserving of induction and have been eligible for years but now any honor for them will sadly be posthumous.

The Hall Of Fame needs to address these issues and ensure that those voting on such categories are qualified to accurately assess the contributions of those outside the spotlight and to reward these figures in all due haste.
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Re: Who is not in the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame?

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So now Tom Waits WILL be in the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame, the speech being given for him by Neil Young.

Congratulations, Tom! [I wish Leonard were to be the one to give the speech, but no idea how those decisions are made.] It's a good group of people being inducted this time.

From the Guardian:

"Tom Waits to enter Rock and Roll Hall of Fame

Singer named as one of the official 2011 inductees alongside Alice Cooper, Neil Diamond, Dr John and Darlene Love"

http://www.guardian.co.uk/music/2010/de ... -hall-fame


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lizzytysh wrote: I wish Leonard were to be the one to give the speech, but no idea how those decisions are made
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...i have to ask...why would leonard cohen be asked to give the speech?
...what's the connection between tom and leonard...can't think of a single one meself

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