Hydra update: no bench in June??

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Re: Hydra update: no bench in June??

Postby MarieM » Thu May 21, 2015 10:16 pm

I'm not sure you could even have a bench in Montreal. I recently learned that in Canada, they will not name public property after a living person. So, if this were viewed as the Leonard Cohen Bench, it would not be possible. Further, for Leonard and his family, part of the charm of Montreal and Hydra is being able to blend into the community seamlessly. If you start putting benches, plaques, etc. on or around Leonard's homes, that would set them apart from the community.
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Re: Hydra update: no bench in June??

Postby lizzytysh » Fri May 22, 2015 3:42 am

You're absolutely right, Marie [my earlier comments notwithstanding... ;-) ] as Jarkko, you, and others have said now and in the past... Leonard loves his [relative] anonymity and privacy. We have no right to gouge into that... or to even try. And Canada's rule makes it a moot idea, as well.
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Re: Nevermind no bench ... what about ...???

Postby Greg Ross » Fri May 22, 2015 3:27 pm

i just thought I would mention that the Le Mans 24 Hours is on during our 'Bench Free' weekend. I mentioned this personal sacrifice to Ann and she replied "And so?"
Please, no tears, I am shocked that she doesn't understand what I'm forgoing for Leonard!
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Re: Marie ... Hydra?

Postby Greg Ross » Fri May 22, 2015 3:34 pm

Marie and George ... are you two coming to Hydra?
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Re: Hydra update: no bench in June??

Postby Suemerlyn » Fri May 22, 2015 4:42 pm

Yep, I agree with most posts, EXCEPT relocating the bench to Montreal. It has to be Hydra I think, because of Leonard's long ago but long association to the island.
Anybody know the last time Leonard himself visited Hydra, incidentally?
Rats to powerful individuals on the Rock who think they can object to this most innocent and meaningful of Hydra projects and stall it all. Wonder who it is??

We'll all come anyways and celebrate Leonard's milestone birthday with the local people, and no doubt many a jolly singalong.
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Re: Hydra update: no bench in June??

Postby Goldin » Fri May 22, 2015 8:48 pm

Oh, come on... "Rats to" "egoistic people"...
Let's not forget we're just the guests of Hydra, and other people call this island their home.

Surelly, I know almost nothing. Jarkko has told about someone's "property". Is this guy a local or a rentier?
Anyway, I must say, I can understand him.
That doesn't mean I would act this way in place of him, while not being a Cohenite, - but generally because of my sentimental nature.
People are different, their stories can be very complicated. If we're united by some altruist idea, that doesn't automatically make anyone who opposed us, egoistic people.
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Re: Hydra update: no bench in June??

Postby LC&LC » Sat May 23, 2015 3:38 pm

Goldin,
in my opinion, denying people the opportunity to seat on a bench to enjoy the view over the sea and the landscape because it might diminish your comfort (when you're at home) is an egoistic attitude; it was only a bench we wanted to have built there, not a noisy merry go-round for eg.
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Re: Hydra update: no bench in June??

Postby harald » Mon May 25, 2015 3:23 pm

Well, as I see it on the base of the information given here, the bench on this location is no way discarded yet.

The home owner informed the municipality that he would start legal proceedings against the project. Which probably is his good right. But starting a process does not mean that success is guaranteed, need not mean that the owner´s arguments are valid and he would win his cause.
The municipality as the responsible builder of the bench at first stopped the works.

Now it´s for the municipality to decide.
They might abolish the project at this location, be it to avoid legal risks or be it to prevent unpleasent disputes on the island or even be it for the possible might of this home owner.
They might go on with building the bench, expecting to be sued, but to win at court. Of course at court one never knows the outcome, in the worst case the finished bench would have to be removed (and our funds gone).
Or the legal proceedings could be fought out before going on with the works. Could take a lot of time.
Eventually the home owner could be talked to and perhaps convinced of the harmless nature of our bench.

Anyway, it´s on the island of Hydra. People and the municipality of Hydra will decide how to proceed in their own right.
We are just guests as Goldin points out rightfully.
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Re: Hydra update: no bench in June??

Postby jarkko » Fri May 29, 2015 8:00 pm

Just letting you all know that we don't have a report to share yet,
because we haven't got up-to-date information from our contacts on Hydra.
Most likely we have to wait until our project team is on the spot for the meetup;
then we are able to meet the key persons, face-to-face, and discuss the plans.
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Re: Hydra update: no bench in June??

Postby lizzytysh » Sun May 31, 2015 8:53 am

Yes, that makes sense; and until then, it's all speculation; and we have better things to do with our time... like pack ;)
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Re: Hydra update: no bench in June??

Postby cohenadmirer » Sun May 31, 2015 6:48 pm

I'm sure many if not all who go to Hydra will at least take a look at the proposed site - and will see whether or not there is a house that is so close that a peaceful bench might be reasonably construed as a major threat to the homeowner. Would be interested to hear the opinions of those that go.
Without that information i'm-perhaps unfairly- drawn to view the anonymous householder as utterly selfish and a bit of a bully ...certainly what we call in the uk a NIMBY .Perhaps though s/he is a reasonable person who can be persuaded?
Since from all that i've read the municipality has been enthusiastic about the project i guess that the project would only ultimately be stopped if the complainant had a compelling legal case, and i know nothing about the local laws .

I just hope that our funds don't get redirected to heavy legal fees

Regarding a montreal bench ,many will know there are already a few benches in the parc du portugal . Though Leonard's montreal house is there ,there is no reference at all to Leonard , but - rightly - a lot about the Portuguese immigrant community that the park was built for . Any of us might choose to go and sit on one of the benches as part of a trip to montreal , and privately have Leonard in mind. I have , and for reasons i don't fully ( and dont need to)understand , it's quite special to sit on a bench that i know Leonard himself has sat on !
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Re: Hydra update: no bench in June??

Postby liverpoolken » Tue Jun 02, 2015 5:15 pm

it could be time to take to the streets when we all arrive on the island.........ta ken
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Re: Hydra update: no bench in June??

Postby lizzytysh » Wed Jun 03, 2015 2:51 am

:lol: [with no disrespect to Charlie]
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